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Where are the Political beasts?

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By *oondog   profile verified by photo (M)  over a year ago

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I may just be getting old but it seems to have been a while since we saw real conviction politicians who could orate and stir the passions of the electorate.

It didn't matter which side they were on you had to respect their views even if you didn't agree with them.

Thatcher, Healey, Tebbit, Joseph, Callaghan, Wilson, and many more before them.

Who are the political giants of today?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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I think all the quality orators have died. All there is left are the bullshitters and liars

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By *ewcocol  (M)  over a year ago

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Only two from that list fit the bill on both counts Thatcher and Healey. The others certainly weren't good orators. I'd add Ken Clarke to it though, a marvellous speaking voice.

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By *2014   profile verified by photo (M)  over a year ago

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Conviction politicians? There may be potential candidates now but they are busy being convicted of stuff they did back in the days of Thatcher, Healey, Tebbit, Joseph, Callaghan, Wilson.

I think Blair filled the orator criterion and we have only just lost Obama who fulfilled both to the limit.

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By *ewcocol  (M)  over a year ago

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Blair - artificial pauses for effect, carefully contrived expressions for the camera, never a word or phrase off script. No I really can't agree with you on him being a great orator.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M)  over a year ago

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Thatcher, Healey, Tebbit, Joseph, Callaghan, Wilson, and many more before them."

Of those only Thatcher and Healey were really good orators. Tebbit no bad. Wilson a bit slimy and shifty like his eventually successor Blair. I heard Callaghan live at an election rally and was totally unimpressed. Didn't rate Keith Joseph very highly either. Although I was not a fan of theirs politically both Michael Foot and Wedgie Benn were powerful speakers and political heavy weights. The much maligned William Hague was an impressive orator as well.

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By *ewcocol  (M)  over a year ago

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Actually I thought Kinnock a better speaker than either Benn or Foot, But at the same time I never really lost the feeling he was performing rather than speaking from the heart.

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By *hebestrimmer  (M)  over a year ago

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I would love Blair to orate for me - When I stamp on his Bollocks!

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By *hebestrimmer  (M)  over a year ago

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I think tosser best describes blair

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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Some of the earlier ones that have been mentiond were natural, from Maggie forward they have been trained, and given a style, that why a lot are plastic politicians and do look fairly similair. The only exception being Corbyn as no one could be taught to act like he does

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By *ockpleaser  (M)  over a year ago

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At least Mr Corbyn seems to believe in what he's saying although I don't agree with much of it.

I once saw Arthur Scargill whip a crowd into a frenzy, I felt it myself even though I was only passing by and stopped to listen lol

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By *2014   profile verified by photo (M)  over a year ago

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Nobody agrees with me about Tony? I'm astonished

William Hague - a master of the art whether being serious or funny. Someone recently posted links on here to his U Tube stuff which I found very enjoyable.

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By *ewcocol  (M)  over a year ago

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"Nobody agrees with me about Tony? I'm astonished

William Hague - a master of the art whether being serious or funny. Someone recently posted links on here to his U Tube stuff which I found very enjoyable."

I was that soldier Sir, it is possibly my favourite clip of Hague. I didn't suggest him because although he has the wit and the knowledge he doesn't have the voice sadly.

Look for some of him jousting across the despatch box with John Prescott.

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