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By *sunamiwarrior   profile verified by photo (M) 11 weeks ago

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The goal of socialism is communism. Vladimir Lenin.

Do you agree?

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 11 weeks ago

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Listening to Momentum it does seem that way. A lot of socialists are adamant that they are nothing like communists and I suppose that is basically true of the more moderate wings of leftist parties.

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By *heshire baldie  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"The goal of socialism is communism. Vladimir Lenin.

Do you agree? "

yes

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By *aravaggio  (M) 11 weeks ago

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Even Karl Marx, the father of socialism, said that communism was the eutopia to be striven for, insinuating that it was unachievable in total. That there would always be an element of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, but that the "struggle" against capitalism was to reduce the control of the bourgeoisie ….. personally, I think he was barmy. A boss is a boss, a worker is a worker, it doesn't matter what fancy names you give them. Many will want to be bosses, but only a few have the credentials. Many don't want to be workers, but their credentials suit them for nothing else, and therein lies the major problem with that magical social system called communism. You need humans without human nature for it to work.

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*t one fell swoop By *t one fell swoop  (M) 11 weeks ago

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Eutopia, eh: Eutopia Solutions Ltd of St Albans?

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By *aravaggio  (M) 11 weeks ago

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Do you smoke??

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By *cousedpw   profile verified by photo (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Eutopia, eh: Eutopia Solutions Ltd of St Albans?"

No, it's what the EU is striving for.

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By (user no longer on site) 11 weeks ago

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"Eutopia, eh: Eutopia Solutions Ltd of St Albans?"

It is spelled utopia! There is no E in the word.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Eutopia, eh: Eutopia Solutions Ltd of St Albans?

It is spelled utopia! There is no E in the word. "

That sense of humour by-pass op was really successful

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By *aravaggio  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Eutopia, eh: Eutopia Solutions Ltd of St Albans?

It is spelled utopia! There is no E in the word. "

It used to be spelled with an E, but that spelling is now defunct, sometime in the 15th century I believe …. but seeing as I'm an old fashioned kinda guy, I'll carry on with ye olde waye, thanking ye so much...

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By *aravaggio  (M) 11 weeks ago

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…. and to save you all looking it up,

"Eutopia, derived from Greek e? ("good" or "well") and t?p?? ("place"), means "good place", and is strictly speaking the correct term to describe a positive utopia. In English, eutopia and utopia are homophonous, which may have given rise to the change in meaning".

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 11 weeks ago

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Well we began with the EEC then it was the EC and now the EU. So perhaps when the bureaucratic monstrosity finally morphs into the United States of Europe they will officially call it Eutopia

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By *nubis51  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Well we began with the EEC then it was the EC and now the EU. So perhaps when the bureaucratic monstrosity finally morphs into the United States of Europe they will officially call it Eutopia "

Some of the misguided Remainiacs apparently think it already is!

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By *annyboy87  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Well we began with the EEC then it was the EC and now the EU. So perhaps when the bureaucratic monstrosity finally morphs into the United States of Europe they will officially call it Eutopia

Some of the misguided Remainiacs apparently think it already is! "

well said mr lover man x

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Well we began with the EEC then it was the EC and now the EU. So perhaps when the bureaucratic monstrosity finally morphs into the United States of Europe they will officially call it Eutopia

Some of the misguided Remainiacs apparently think it already is! well said mr lover man x"

Is there something we should know about you two? Do I need to get my morning suit dry cleaned?

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By *nubis51  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Well we began with the EEC then it was the EC and now the EU. So perhaps when the bureaucratic monstrosity finally morphs into the United States of Europe they will officially call it Eutopia

Some of the misguided Remainiacs apparently think it already is! well said mr lover man x

Is there something we should know about you two? Do I need to get my morning suit dry cleaned? "

Don't get excited, I think he's being facetious!

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By *annyboy87  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"Well we began with the EEC then it was the EC and now the EU. So perhaps when the bureaucratic monstrosity finally morphs into the United States of Europe they will officially call it Eutopia

Some of the misguided Remainiacs apparently think it already is! well said mr lover man x

Is there something we should know about you two? Do I need to get my morning suit dry cleaned?

Don't get excited, I think he's being facetious! "

dont be like that you know you love me to bits

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By *sunamiwarrior   profile verified by photo (M) 11 weeks ago

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"The goal of socialism is communism. Vladimir Lenin.

Do you agree? "

Of course he also said “you may say I’m a dreamer .. but I’m not the only one”

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*oredEric By *oredEric  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"[snip] A boss is a boss, a worker is a worker, it doesn't matter what fancy names you give them. Many will want to be bosses, but only a few have the credentials. Many don't want to be workers, but their credentials suit them for nothing else, and therein lies the major problem with that magical social system called communism. You need humans without human nature for it to work. "

Perhaps he was not arguing about the division of labour between the bosses and the workers, but the distribution of wealth between the bosses and the workers. We're seeing a return of the gap between the wealthy and the rest of us akin to that of the Victorian age or even further back to the divine rule of kings and serfdom. It is that division that ferments revolution. The obscene wealth of the billionaires and oligarchs, their deliberate flaunting of that wealth, then selling the dream of attaining it, which is entirely impossible, through gambling, or other means can only go on so long before there will be a need for radical change. In America right now you can see the elite deliberately targeting healthcare and education for everyone except the wealthy, the poorest in society just cast aside. The definition of who is poor moves all the time, and the former working classes are now caught up, the middle classes already feeling the squeeze. As a collective we're managed by fear via the media, fear of the unknown, fear of immigrants, fear of different religions, races, etc. The actual threats are mostly non-existent, but the fear of them is palpable. I hope the rabid nature of the collapse of democracy in America doesn't spread here too quickly, not until I'm safely dead at least.

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By *awtyCawty   premium paying member (M) 11 weeks ago

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The Labour scum will always deny that socialism doesn’t lead to communism, but we all know it does. That’s why they peddle this endless crap about the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer etc etc etc. The Labour scum just like to blame everyone else for their shortcomings and failings in life, so anyone who works harder than them or is richer than them or more successful than them is the enemy. That’s why they dislike Jews do much, they are hardworking, family oriented, decent people who look after their money. Everything the hard left Labour scum aren’t.

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By *orderguard  (M) 11 weeks ago

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If that scruffy little freak Corbyn ever gets into power then we will drift towards communism as well as bankruptcy.

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By *arconi  (M) 11 weeks ago

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To all those who have posted scathing remarks about the Labour Party can I ask do they use the NHS and are they or will they be in receipt of a State Pension and free bus pass?

We have to thank the Labour Party and the Liberal Party and not the nasty party - the Tories for the NHS and state pensions.

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"... As a collective we're managed by fear via the media, fear of the unknown, fear of immigrants, fear of different religions, races, etc. The actual threats are mostly non-existent, but the fear of them is palpable. I hope the rabid nature of the collapse of democracy in America doesn't spread here too quickly, not until I'm safely dead at least."

Very eloquently put. There is a real shift towards emphasising what divides rather than what unites, latching on to one emotive 'reason' for fearing and loathing of anyone different and repeating it over and over in the belief that will make it true. I am very glad to be the age I am and unlikely to see the end result of this growing trend towards spewing bile to foster divisions.

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By *awtyCawty   premium paying member (M) 11 weeks ago

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"To all those who have posted scathing remarks about the Labour Party can I ask do they use the NHS and are they or will they be in receipt of a State Pension and free bus pass?

We have to thank the Labour Party and the Liberal Party and not the nasty party - the Tories for the NHS and state pensions. "

Yes and who pays for it all? The evil rich tories through their taxes, not the Labour scum on minimum wage that’s for sure.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 11 weeks ago

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"To all those who have posted scathing remarks about the Labour Party can I ask do they use the NHS and are they or will they be in receipt of a State Pension and free bus pass?

We have to thank the Labour Party and the Liberal Party and not the nasty party - the Tories for the NHS and state pensions. "

Someone is obviously taken in by the Labour Party propaganda machine. By their recent track record I would say it is Labour who should be renamed the Nasty Party.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 11 weeks ago

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Are you all mad it’s labour that’s nasty it’s conservatives that’s nasty Lib Dem that are nasty got news for you

They are all nasty in this heir own way and you all know that that little disgusting man corbyn and the one that flies around on a broomstick mrs May are not perfect far from it but they are almost the same person

Going to have conservative apologists knickers in a twist now as I swear Conservative party followers think conservatives are perfect but I’ve got news for you THEY NOT

And labour isn’t either nobody is ,

The conservatives apologists be on now calling every name under sun bring it on

P.s I’m not going to be online today maybe so you be wasting your time

All I can say all party’s are bloody same

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By *aravaggio  (M) 11 weeks ago

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"[snip] A boss is a boss, a worker is a worker, it doesn't matter what fancy names you give them. Many will want to be bosses, but only a few have the credentials. Many don't want to be workers, but their credentials suit them for nothing else, and therein lies the major problem with that magical social system called communism. You need humans without human nature for it to work.

Perhaps he was not arguing about the division of labour between the bosses and the workers, but the distribution of wealth between the bosses and the workers. We're seeing a return of the gap between the wealthy and the rest of us akin to that of the Victorian age or even further back to the divine rule of kings and serfdom. It is that division that ferments revolution. The obscene wealth of the billionaires and oligarchs, their deliberate flaunting of that wealth, then selling the dream of attaining it, which is entirely impossible, through gambling, or other means can only go on so long before there will be a need for radical change. In America right now you can see the elite deliberately targeting healthcare and education for everyone except the wealthy, the poorest in society just cast aside. The definition of who is poor moves all the time, and the former working classes are now caught up, the middle classes already feeling the squeeze. As a collective we're managed by fear via the media, fear of the unknown, fear of immigrants, fear of different religions, races, etc. The actual threats are mostly non-existent, but the fear of them is palpable. I hope the rabid nature of the collapse of democracy in America doesn't spread here too quickly, not until I'm safely dead at least."

If we want a society that is more fair all round, then get rid of stocks and shares, and limit the size of companies. Capitalism with a large C is the single most divisive thing on this earth. With a small C its the only way of financing societies. It would also manage wealth, taking it out of the hands of the very few and distributing it across a much broader base.

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