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By *annyboy87  (M) 10 weeks ago

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The head of police is saying funds is not there for police to operate properly

Is she right ?

Should police stop attending petty little things eg neighbours calling each other names ?

Or is it down to all cuts that’s been made both in funds and police numbers?

As at the same time as these cuts have happened crime has risen

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By *sunamiwarrior   profile verified by photo (M) 10 weeks ago

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I think it’s a bit of everything. I can remember some of the same complaints 50 years ago. The police just like the NHS has changed from an emergency service into a ‘jack of all trades’.

I work with the police in one of the jobs I do and also when I do voluntary work with the homeless. I have experienced other police forces around the world and wouldn’t hesitate to say ours is the best.

I agree that the petty stuff takes a lot of time. Many forces estimate the around 80% of their time is dealing with drunks and domestics.

I hate to say this but one of the major reasons for an overworked police force is the crimes committed by the vast number of immigrants committing thefts which were commonplace in their own country.

The internet, bank cards, etc has increased electronic fraud and identity theft out of all proportion.

To top it all we have increased national security risks and fights against terrorism which I doubt will lessen with time.

In my experience the PCSOs were a great idea which worked well but was never taken seriously enough by the authorities or the public.

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By *iman60  (M) 10 weeks ago

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One of the things people said was missing from the police is the Community touch, PCSOs were brought in to bring that back, unfortunately they cant get rid of the "plastic copper" label.

Same as the VOSA/DVSA traffic officers, they were brought in to stop multiple police cars having to attend accidents.

Both have worked just more are needed.

Neither have any real powers, DVSA can direct you in traffic but thats it.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 10 weeks ago

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Why cannot the PCSO's be fully fledged police officers? We have a division for traffic, why can't we have a division for street? Cost should have nothing to do with It, as a lower pay grade can be put in place. Indeed, why not make the "Street Division" part of the training schedule .. everyone has to spend a year on Street .. IN A PROPER UNIFORM that will be respected and recognised as having the power of arrest. PCSOs do not make any sense whatsoever, and never have done. You may as well have a bunch of lollipop ladies strolling about.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 10 weeks ago

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Yes mr c that would be an very good idea as the pcso where I used to live used to get laughed at by youths .knowing to well they had no powers

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By *heshire baldie  (M) 10 weeks ago

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we could with bringing back Police violence - a good punch in the throat never hurt me when I was young

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By *aravaggio  (M) 10 weeks ago

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I well remember the threat of, "behave, or you'll have a trip down the station".

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By *annyboy87  (M) 10 weeks ago

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"I well remember the threat of, "behave, or you'll have a trip down the station"."

but their was proper police not pcso with no power I presume

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By (user no longer on site) 10 weeks ago

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When law and order stops dealing with the smaller things criminals knowing they are fairly immune will keep on committing those crimes in the knowledge they will get away with them. Some victims of those crimes may start to deal with issues themselves - it will result in an increasing vicious circle of lawlessness.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 10 weeks ago

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"When law and order stops dealing with the smaller things criminals knowing they are fairly immune will keep on committing those crimes in the knowledge they will get away with them. Some victims of those crimes may start to deal with issues themselves - it will result in an increasing vicious circle of lawlessness."

you are most certainly right there

Not only that the criminals Carry on with getting away with small crimes . Some may gain confidence to move to move to bigger crimes

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By *sunamiwarrior   profile verified by photo (M) 10 weeks ago

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I think the PCSO were a great idea but I think their lack of training meant they could not be given any real powers but that does not mean they are not useful.

Many elderly in particular who would like to see community 'bobbies' wandering the streets are re-assured by the PCSOs who also call in on vulnerable people. After crimes you are often given the mobile number of your local PCSO if you want an update or re assurance.

They talk to local kids/teens and visit club etc which can nip some problems in the bud.

Let's face it unless you actually look at the writing on their uniforms it's difficult to know they are not regfular police.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 10 weeks ago

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What maybe a good idea is for pcso to be fitted with body cameras if can’t give them any powers.

Actually be a good idea for all police force

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 10 weeks ago

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Chief Constables have been warning the government for years that Police forces across the country can not police our streets as they should be. Thousands of police and civilian workers have been made redundant in the last eight years, thousands of unrecorded crimes have come to light recently, the police forces simply don't have the men or the means to combat the ever increasing crime rate. They have to decide which call out to attend and prioritise accordingly. Saying at the cuts are in no way responsible is a typical government answer to evade any responsibility. Today saw the Prison Service hold a demo. to illustrate the problems in our prisons, once again it has nothing to do with the cuts of course.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 10 weeks ago

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Most of it is down to cuts labour made cuts between 2005-2007 conservatives made cuts some records almost every year since 2010

So it’s all those cuts coming to fruitation now there’s other factors but that’s the main reason by for

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 10 weeks ago

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This government has made more cuts to public services than any other government in post war history, check the facts.

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By (user no longer on site) 10 weeks ago

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"This government has made more cuts to public services than any other government in post war history, check the facts."

You don't think that it might have something to do with trying to reduce the huge deficit that this country has had since the 2008 Financial crash? In 2005 the UK “current budget deficit” was less that £20 billion. But then came the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession. The budget deficit skyrocketed to £50 billion in 2009 and £103 billion in 2010. In the subsequent recovery the deficit has steadily declined, down to £1.9 billion in 2018 - and that is partially due to the government's austerity programme.

If people want the level of services they expect they have to be prepared to pay for it and thousands of extra coppers on the street don't come cheap, but imagine the howls of outrage from the 'something for nothing' brigade, who see no problem with living beyond their means, if the government proposed increasing taxation to cover those costs!

I'm not saying it's right, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how the situation can be resolved, given the number of services currently needing more financial input? There is, of course, the argument about those big multi-nationals that don't pay their full tax bill, but even if they did the amount raised by it wouldn't go very far when divided up between the various departments vying for more money.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 10 weeks ago

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I would love the see the police get a substantial pay rise and for there to be more police around. But they have to be paid for and there just isn't the money available. There is already a strong possibility that taxes will have to go up in order to fund the government's plans to improve the NHS. To get a better police force then taxes would have to rise again which wouldn't go down to well.

We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy."

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

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By *orum reader   premium paying member (M) 10 weeks ago

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This government have reduced the deficit but by increasing the national debt

A lot of the borrowing from 2008 onwards was to cover the rescue of the banks and quanative easing

As the banks are now in a better financial position they should have to repay the money plus interest make a small increase in corporation tax and stop the roll of universal credit and the benefits freeze

At the moment it's those at the very bottom who are paying the most

Every council has had huge cut backs which in general have been passed on to pensioners and the dusadvanged by the removal of services

An increase in tax rate for high earners is counter productive but we as a country should be making sure the big corporations pay their taxes.

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. "

It's not all one sided. May said there was no magic money tree to give nurses a pay rise and in no time at all found the money to pay a bribe to the DUP. We sometimes have short/selective memories

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 10 weeks ago

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Despite the crime rate, figures etc. we should applaud the Police for the difficult job they are doing. The dangers they face from day to day just doing their job is remarkable. Takes a lot of guts to be a Bobby today.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 9 weeks ago

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Agree with the above, but we need more of them. How can any politician worth their salt not recognise this? Law and order is the last thing that should be subject to the vagaries of budget cuts …. indeed, when times are tight, that's when law breaking increases …. it ain't rocket science.

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*kws By *kws  (M) 9 weeks ago

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This lack of police is Teresa May's fault as she cut the numbers and stated, in parliament, that it would only be back office numbers being cut. If she can be economical with the truth over police numbers what is she be economical with about brexit

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 9 weeks ago

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It cant be denied that the massive cuts to the police is going to get even worse regarding crime and its victims. But the governments way is to blame anyone else and when that fails just deny there is a problem at all.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 9 weeks ago

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"This lack of police is Teresa May's fault as she cut the numbers and stated, in parliament, that it would only be back office numbers being cut. If she can be economical with the truth over police numbers what is she be economical with about brexit"

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By *annyboy87  (M) 9 weeks ago

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"It cant be denied that the massive cuts to the police is going to get even worse regarding crime and its victims. But the governments way is to blame anyone else and when that fails just deny there is a problem at all."

you are absolutely correct conservative party blame labour and same other way around but instead of that they really need to look into what to do about it not point finger

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By *annyboy87  (M) 9 weeks ago

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

It's not all one sided. May said there was no magic money tree to give nurses a pay rise and in no time at all found the money to pay a bribe to the DUP. We sometimes have short/selective memories "

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By *orderguard  (M) 9 weeks ago

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"I would love the see the police get a substantial pay rise and for there to be more police around. But they have to be paid for and there just isn't the money available. There is already a strong possibility that taxes will have to go up in order to fund the government's plans to improve the NHS. To get a better police force then taxes would have to rise again which wouldn't go down to well.

We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy."

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. "

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By *aravaggio  (M) 9 weeks ago

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Instead of pouring billions into "Foreign Aid", (slush fund/bribe pot) how about spending some of it on ourselves? Put some proper cops on the street, and make the citizens of this country a little happier, AND SAFER … it would be money damn well spent, irrespective of the fact that it is every government's prime responsibility to look after it's citizens.

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. "

Yes Thatcher definitely got that one right.

It is always the case that a party in oppostion can criticise good/bad ideas and announce unworkable plans just as supporters of an opposition party can do the same (whichever party is in power) as they have nothing to prove and by the time they are/if they are elected everyone has forgotten the ridiculous things they sais when in oppostion.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 9 weeks ago

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

Yes Thatcher definitely got that one right.

It is always the case that a party in oppostion can criticise good/bad ideas and announce unworkable plans just as supporters of an opposition party can do the same (whichever party is in power) as they have nothing to prove and by the time they are/if they are elected everyone has forgotten the ridiculous things they sais when in oppostion."

that is so true with today’s government

Last government and most probably next too

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Today figures have released crime figures ave reached an high level already more this year than all of last

Lord Mayor of London blames government cuts home Office says it’s not

But where can blame be aimed at ?

Police cuts haven’t helped yes but what else can be blamed?

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By *aravaggio  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Drugs …. end of! That is the central and connecting theme.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Yes drugs maybe the biggest cause but more police walking the beat sniffing these drug dealers out may cut crime levels Down but that can’t happen can it ?

What with this governments cuts that it’s made

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By *ister Pfister   profile verified by photo (M) 2 weeks ago

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I had half a mind to become a policeman, until someone told me that's all I needed lol

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By (user no longer on site) 2 weeks ago

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'Stop & Search' was an effective way of finding those intent on causing harm to others, but then there was an outcry from the usual suspects, saying that it was being used disproportionately against certain ethnic groups, so Mrs May scaled it back when she was Home Secretary. Of course, nobody dared to admit that maybe it was these particular groups that were involved with violent behaviour, which is why they were more likely to be stopped by the police - and events in London to date seem to bear this out.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Think you find that it is a fact that someone with colour to their skin get stopped a lot more than a white person

And use everything as an excuse

When at end of day it’s all races that’s committing crimes

But a lot are so quick to point finger at a person just because of the colour of his skin

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Yes there are groups of blacks committing crimes but they are groups of asians, groups of Eastern European s

And groups of whites that are committing crimes as well but some have selective sight and hearing

And only see dark skin people committing crimes and only hearing dark skin people committing crimes

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By *awtyCawty  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Well ever since they scaled back the stop and search policy crime, especially knife crime has increased alarmingly in London. And it is a simple fact that about 95% of the perpetrators of these knife crimes and also the poor victims are of black or Asian origin. I’m sure there is some sort of link somewhere.....

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Well it’s different around the whole country there is more than one city than London plus there’s some people that get very selective when releasing news as some just don’t like people that have abit of colour to they skin that is a fact of life

I personally know of six stabbings in Sheffield in last two months but only two made news one paper and one tv and guess what they was the black ones the other four was white why didn’t they get an mention one of them reclined being mentioned as he just can’t let it be known he’s in Sheffield now after all troubles he’s caused elsewhere

There was other crimes but don’t know stats on them as these six I personally know them and plus all got stabbed by white lads

I’m originally from Manchester and you can go to one part and it’s gangs of blacks committing crimes guns , knives and drugs go to another part of Manchester it’s Asians doing same thing go to another place in Manchester and it’s whites doing it

And it’s like that up and down country that many crimes being committed they can’t report every one so they get selective on ones they report and as you can guess they pick out all ethnic groups crimes

Yes some cities worse than next but it does happen and until someone can prove otherwise I’m sticking to what I’ve seen with my own eyes

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By *awtyCawty  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Well I live in a suburb of Nottingham, just a normal place not rich not poor. There have been no stabbings or murders or any serious crime for ages where I live. And there are very few BAME people either. Just saying....

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By (user no longer on site) 2 weeks ago

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When I wrote my last post I guessed it wouldn't be long before somebody played the Race card, so no surprises there. I specifically had events in London in mind at the time of writing, although there have recently been stabbings and shooting in Birmingham to add to the list - and apart from gangs and drugs they all have one common denominator....

It's high time 'Stop & Search' was brought back with a vengeance, and to those snowflakes that object to it I say tough, if it makes the streets safer for everyone then bring it on! If you've got nothing to hide you shouldn't object to being stopped as it shows that the Police are doing their job.

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"When I wrote my last post I guessed it wouldn't be long before somebody played the Race card, so no surprises there. I specifically had events in London in mind at the time of writing, although there have recently been stabbings and shooting in Birmingham to add to the list - and apart from gangs and drugs they all have one common denominator....

It's high time 'Stop & Search' was brought back with a vengeance, and to those snowflakes that object to it I say tough, if it makes the streets safer for everyone then bring it on! If you've got nothing to hide you shouldn't object to being stopped as it shows that the Police are doing their job."

Stop and search doesn't make the streets safer for everyone as it focuses on one ethnic group so the criminals from other ethnic groups go unheeded. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there are white criminals out there too.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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For your information there is no race card being shown just some facts that I’ve experienced myself in life .

I like my best mate at school bought himself a golf gti when we was 18 as my father had bought myself one mine was all up to date insurance mot etc his no mot no insurance even no license but I got pulled by police every week without fail he got pulled no times it didn’t bother me as they could pull me every day as the pigs will never find anything on me

All I’m saying is that things like that happen up and down country fact there’s no race card just what I’ve personally experienced

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"For your information there is no race card being shown just some facts that I’ve experienced myself in life .

I like my best mate at school bought himself a golf gti when we was 18 as my father had bought myself one mine was all up to date insurance mot etc his no mot no insurance even no license but I got pulled by police every week without fail he got pulled no times it didn’t bother me as they could pull me every day as the pigs will never find anything on me

All I’m saying is that things like that happen up and down country fact there’s no race card just what I’ve personally experienced

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he was white by the way and I say was as he is no longer with us got shot dead by another white man my other mate got shot by a black man

What I’m saying is there is criminals of all colours fact

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"Well I live in a suburb of Nottingham, just a normal place not rich not poor. There have been no stabbings or murders or any serious crime for ages where I live. And there are very few BAME people either. Just saying...."

so what exactly you trying to say whites are perfect everyone else are mindless criminals because if you are you are totally wrong for every bame person there’s a white man just as bad just like it is other way around being good

There’s one suburb in Sheffield where it is mainly Asians and blacks and guess what they is never trouble there either

It’s just what some human beings do no matter what colour there skin is

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By *ajor mistake  (M) 2 weeks ago

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The police need to target known criminals no matter of their ethnicity, and send a message out, we are coming for you, if you do crime, expect to do time, if recourses are limited, you target what you have to do the most impact, stop and search, is I would say a waste of time, what the police should be doing is watching, getting information then hitting these gangs hard, and the courts have to do their bit also, fast tracking suspects and longer sentences for the leaders of these gangs,

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That's all well and good, but at the moment the biggest problem in the London area is that the information is not forthcomming, either through fear or misguided loyalty, also the stabbings don't seem to be in any set area it's happening all round London, so where are the Police supposed to watch, as has been said before stop nd search only seems to be a problem with to those with something to hide.

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The idea that stop and search only bothers those with something to hide is ludicrous. I presume you say that as you may be from a demographic that is never going to be subjected to stop and search. Many young black men are searched on numerous occasions - nothing is found and they have nothing to hide so targetting them is a pointless exercise and just fosters resentment.

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"It's high time 'Stop & Search' was brought back with a vengeance, and to those snowflakes that object to it I say tough, if it makes the streets safer for everyone then bring it on! If you've got nothing to hide you shouldn't object to being stopped as it shows that the Police are doing their job."

A bit like the 1940s Nazi regime?...where mindless, brainwashed armed thugs in black uniforms interrogated people at will and beat them senseless if they didn't supply a suitable response.....oh hold on a minute

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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It’s easy to sit there and say things like you have a problem with stop and search if you have any thing to hide but that’s not the point some are complaining about

As a lot are getting stopped and searched just because of the colour of they skin And that’s the problem not because someone has anything to hide

And big percentage of these they don’t find anything but they don’t tell you that part they just report when something been found so to people out there with blinkers on and those that just don’t like people with colour to their skin can say well it is always blacks and Asians that are trouble

There don’t tell you that probably 80% of people stopped and searched are of ethnic backgrounds

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And your assumption that only young people of ethnic origin are stopped and searched is unbelievably stupid, many years ago while with a group of friends visiting friends in Leeds out of a group of about 15 i was the only one pulled to one side searched and threatened with arrest and being held in the cells while they 'made enquiries' my crime, moving slower than the rest and smoking roll ups! however fair play it was %100 old holborn tobacco but how were they to know that? so please don't imply stop and search has specific targets!

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By *iman60  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"The idea that stop and search only bothers those with something to hide is ludicrous. I presume you say that as you may be from a demographic that is never going to be subjected to stop and search. Many young black men are searched on numerous occasions - nothing is found and they have nothing to hide so targeting them is a pointless exercise and just fosters resentment."

I agree with the 1st sentiment but there is a reason young black men are targeted as statistically in some areas they are the ones committing the crimes. So actually the police are targeting criminals they just happen to be black. If we stopped labeling them black, white, asian etc and just called them criminals it would stop this racist undertone.

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"And your assumption that only young people of ethnic origin are stopped and searched is unbelievably stupid, many years ago while with a group of friends visiting friends in Leeds out of a group of about 15 i was the only one pulled to one side searched and threatened with arrest and being held in the cells while they 'made enquiries' my crime, moving slower than the rest and smoking roll ups! however fair play it was %100 old holborn tobacco but how were they to know that? so please don't imply stop and search has specific targets!"

well in 90% of time it is specific targets try walking around with your eyes open and you will see for yourself.

I’ve seen it with my very own eyes and also experienced it myself, yes whites get stopped and searched too but nowhere near as much as a black lad does fact

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"The idea that stop and search only bothers those with something to hide is ludicrous. I presume you say that as you may be from a demographic that is never going to be subjected to stop and search. Many young black men are searched on numerous occasions - nothing is found and they have nothing to hide so targeting them is a pointless exercise and just fosters resentment.

I agree with the 1st sentiment but there is a reason young black men are targeted as statistically in some areas they are the ones committing the crimes. So actually the police are targeting criminals they just happen to be black. If we stopped labeling them black, white, asian etc and just called them criminals it would stop this racist undertone."

what a load of rubbish it’s because the blacks get targeted more like while whites get away with it that’s why it looks that way

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"And your assumption that only young people of ethnic origin are stopped and searched is unbelievably stupid, many years ago while with a group of friends visiting friends in Leeds out of a group of about 15 i was the only one pulled to one side searched and threatened with arrest and being held in the cells while they 'made enquiries' my crime, moving slower than the rest and smoking roll ups! however fair play it was %100 old holborn tobacco but how were they to know that? so please don't imply stop and search has specific targets!"

I have never claimed that ONLY young men of colour are subjected to stop and search - but the vast majority that are stopped are from those ethnic groups.

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Dannyboy i take it you have solid evidence to prove as you claim it is FACT that particular members of society are singled out unfairly.

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I presume you say that as you may be from a demographic that is never going to be subjected to stop and search.

What 'demographic would that be?

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In the vast majority of cases, any demographic other than young male of colour. I am an elderly white male so am very unlikely to ever be stopped.

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Therefore claiming only young en of colour would be stoped and searched, you seem to be arguing against yourself here!

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"Dannyboy i take it you have solid evidence to prove as you claim it is FACT that particular members of society are singled out unfairly."

it happens to myself and seen it happen to others also heard it happening to others so to me and many others it’s fact

May have been wrong to claim it as fact but it happens

Get two cars exactly same one driven by mixed raced lad myself with everything up to date the other one driven by white lad no insurance no mot no licence we both had car for a year

I got stopped 12 times while I had that car the white lad only got stopped once but only after a year and he was a drug dealer and never really wore his seat belt

The police could have wasted their time pulling me over every day of year as they would never find anything

Yes that was sometime ago but it still happens today I got stopped last week so they could search my car without no apparent reason been stopped four times this year .bet I wouldn’t have if I was white

I know of plenty of dealers that use their cars to deliver they stuff and don’t get stopped but bet they would if they was white

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"Therefore claiming only young en of colour would be stoped and searched, you seem to be arguing against yourself here!"

Please read what I actually say and not what you think I say. Phrases like 'vast majority' and 'unlikely' are not synonymous with 'only'.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"Therefore claiming only young en of colour would be stoped and searched, you seem to be arguing against yourself here!"

no it’s obvious the point he’s trying to get across if you are white young or old you have less chance to get stopped and searched compared to a person from an ethnic group

Also more likely to get away with things for exactly same reason

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So you know dealers that deliver, in an earlier post you implied you had on 6 occasions witnessed white youths stabbing black youths , rather begs the question have you reported any of these incidents? if not it would seem to suggest you are part of the problem don't you think?

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"Therefore claiming only young en of colour would be stoped and searched, you seem to be arguing against yourself here!

Please read what I actually say and not what you think I say. Phrases like 'vast majority' and 'unlikely' are not synonymous with 'only'."

don’t argue over it as it’s obvious whites are absolutely perfect don’t committ crimes and it’s just enthic groups that do

When at end of day we all know that it is EVERY race that commite crimes

It’s just that ethnic groups get targeted a lot more just because of the colour of their skin

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"So you know dealers that deliver, in an earlier post you implied you had on 6 occasions witnessed white youths stabbing black youths , rather begs the question have you reported any of these incidents? if not it would seem to suggest you are part of the problem don't you think?"

again like someone has already advised you earlier

Please read the post properly instead of seeing what you wanna see then comment on it

If you go back and read the post you will find that I said I know of six stabbing not witnessed which means I wasn’t there . They was just people I know,not close mates but would go for a drink with and know long enough to trust what they say

So why on God’s earth would I report these crimes as I wasn’t there

And why am part of the problem if I wasn’t there

Again please read a post properly if you are going to comment on it please

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"So you know dealers that deliver, in an earlier post you implied you had on 6 occasions witnessed white youths stabbing black youths , rather begs the question have you reported any of these incidents? if not it would seem to suggest you are part of the problem don't you think?"

one more thing I may know what some people do but it’s none of my business didn’t say they was friends

Don’t you know any street code eh like you will not grass or snitch doesn’t mean I’m apart of problem just because I’m no grass

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"So you know dealers that deliver, in an earlier post you implied you had on 6 occasions witnessed white youths stabbing black youths , rather begs the question have you reported any of these incidents? if not it would seem to suggest you are part of the problem don't you think? one more thing I may know what some people do but it’s none of my business didn’t say they was friends

Don’t you know any street code eh like you will not grass or snitch doesn’t mean I’m apart of problem just because I’m no grass "

Leab=ving yourself wide open there, are we "wiv it man" the "street code" BOLLOCKS your part of problem, be not doing anything thats acceptance.

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"So you know dealers that deliver, in an earlier post you implied you had on 6 occasions witnessed white youths stabbing black youths , rather begs the question have you reported any of these incidents? if not it would seem to suggest you are part of the problem don't you think? one more thing I may know what some people do but it’s none of my business didn’t say they was friends

Don’t you know any street code eh like you will not grass or snitch doesn’t mean I’m apart of problem just because I’m no grass "

That is a very cowardly attitude. We should all be brave enough to speak out against the local scumbags otherwise how can we complain when a little old lady is robbed, school kids are sold drugs or stabbed or sexual predators left to roam because nobody wants to stand up for themselves and the community.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"So you know dealers that deliver, in an earlier post you implied you had on 6 occasions witnessed white youths stabbing black youths , rather begs the question have you reported any of these incidents? if not it would seem to suggest you are part of the problem don't you think? one more thing I may know what some people do but it’s none of my business didn’t say they was friends

Don’t you know any street code eh like you will not grass or snitch doesn’t mean I’m apart of problem just because I’m no grass

That is a very cowardly attitude. We should all be brave enough to speak out against the local scumbags otherwise how can we complain when a little old lady is robbed, school kids are sold drugs or stabbed or sexual predators left to roam because nobody wants to stand up for themselves and the community. "

well where I come from in Manchester if a old lady got robbed the robber got his hands broken which is better then a slap on back of hand what the police would dish out not saying that’s the right thing to do

But some underground figures strike more fear into people than the police as they don’t want that sort of crap on they area

Yes wrong way of doing it but the police just don’t do ought

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By *ikey1973   profile verified by photo (M) 7 days ago

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Yes Dannyboy underground figures do strike fear into people which stops them coming forward and that allows murderers, rapists and paedophiles to go free. It's not enough to be scared of grassing. Sometimes we have to step up and be counted.

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