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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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The head of police is saying funds is not there for police to operate properly

Is she right ?

Should police stop attending petty little things eg neighbours calling each other names ?

Or is it down to all cuts that’s been made both in funds and police numbers?

As at the same time as these cuts have happened crime has risen

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By *sunamiwarrior   profile verified by photo (M) 2 weeks ago

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I think it’s a bit of everything. I can remember some of the same complaints 50 years ago. The police just like the NHS has changed from an emergency service into a ‘jack of all trades’.

I work with the police in one of the jobs I do and also when I do voluntary work with the homeless. I have experienced other police forces around the world and wouldn’t hesitate to say ours is the best.

I agree that the petty stuff takes a lot of time. Many forces estimate the around 80% of their time is dealing with drunks and domestics.

I hate to say this but one of the major reasons for an overworked police force is the crimes committed by the vast number of immigrants committing thefts which were commonplace in their own country.

The internet, bank cards, etc has increased electronic fraud and identity theft out of all proportion.

To top it all we have increased national security risks and fights against terrorism which I doubt will lessen with time.

In my experience the PCSOs were a great idea which worked well but was never taken seriously enough by the authorities or the public.

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By *iman60  (M) 2 weeks ago

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One of the things people said was missing from the police is the Community touch, PCSOs were brought in to bring that back, unfortunately they cant get rid of the "plastic copper" label.

Same as the VOSA/DVSA traffic officers, they were brought in to stop multiple police cars having to attend accidents.

Both have worked just more are needed.

Neither have any real powers, DVSA can direct you in traffic but thats it.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Why cannot the PCSO's be fully fledged police officers? We have a division for traffic, why can't we have a division for street? Cost should have nothing to do with It, as a lower pay grade can be put in place. Indeed, why not make the "Street Division" part of the training schedule .. everyone has to spend a year on Street .. IN A PROPER UNIFORM that will be respected and recognised as having the power of arrest. PCSOs do not make any sense whatsoever, and never have done. You may as well have a bunch of lollipop ladies strolling about.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Yes mr c that would be an very good idea as the pcso where I used to live used to get laughed at by youths .knowing to well they had no powers

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By *heshire baldie  (M) 2 weeks ago

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we could with bringing back Police violence - a good punch in the throat never hurt me when I was young

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By *aravaggio  (M) 2 weeks ago

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I well remember the threat of, "behave, or you'll have a trip down the station".

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"I well remember the threat of, "behave, or you'll have a trip down the station"."

but their was proper police not pcso with no power I presume

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By *areback Bitch Amanda   profile verified by photo (TV/TS/CD) 2 weeks ago

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When law and order stops dealing with the smaller things criminals knowing they are fairly immune will keep on committing those crimes in the knowledge they will get away with them. Some victims of those crimes may start to deal with issues themselves - it will result in an increasing vicious circle of lawlessness.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"When law and order stops dealing with the smaller things criminals knowing they are fairly immune will keep on committing those crimes in the knowledge they will get away with them. Some victims of those crimes may start to deal with issues themselves - it will result in an increasing vicious circle of lawlessness."

you are most certainly right there

Not only that the criminals Carry on with getting away with small crimes . Some may gain confidence to move to move to bigger crimes

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By *sunamiwarrior   profile verified by photo (M) 2 weeks ago

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I think the PCSO were a great idea but I think their lack of training meant they could not be given any real powers but that does not mean they are not useful.

Many elderly in particular who would like to see community 'bobbies' wandering the streets are re-assured by the PCSOs who also call in on vulnerable people. After crimes you are often given the mobile number of your local PCSO if you want an update or re assurance.

They talk to local kids/teens and visit club etc which can nip some problems in the bud.

Let's face it unless you actually look at the writing on their uniforms it's difficult to know they are not regfular police.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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What maybe a good idea is for pcso to be fitted with body cameras if can’t give them any powers.

Actually be a good idea for all police force

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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Chief Constables have been warning the government for years that Police forces across the country can not police our streets as they should be. Thousands of police and civilian workers have been made redundant in the last eight years, thousands of unrecorded crimes have come to light recently, the police forces simply don't have the men or the means to combat the ever increasing crime rate. They have to decide which call out to attend and prioritise accordingly. Saying at the cuts are in no way responsible is a typical government answer to evade any responsibility. Today saw the Prison Service hold a demo. to illustrate the problems in our prisons, once again it has nothing to do with the cuts of course.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Most of it is down to cuts labour made cuts between 2005-2007 conservatives made cuts some records almost every year since 2010

So it’s all those cuts coming to fruitation now there’s other factors but that’s the main reason by for

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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This government has made more cuts to public services than any other government in post war history, check the facts.

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By *nubis51   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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"This government has made more cuts to public services than any other government in post war history, check the facts."

You don't think that it might have something to do with trying to reduce the huge deficit that this country has had since the 2008 Financial crash? In 2005 the UK “current budget deficit” was less that £20 billion. But then came the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession. The budget deficit skyrocketed to £50 billion in 2009 and £103 billion in 2010. In the subsequent recovery the deficit has steadily declined, down to £1.9 billion in 2018 - and that is partially due to the government's austerity programme.

If people want the level of services they expect they have to be prepared to pay for it and thousands of extra coppers on the street don't come cheap, but imagine the howls of outrage from the 'something for nothing' brigade, who see no problem with living beyond their means, if the government proposed increasing taxation to cover those costs!

I'm not saying it's right, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how the situation can be resolved, given the number of services currently needing more financial input? There is, of course, the argument about those big multi-nationals that don't pay their full tax bill, but even if they did the amount raised by it wouldn't go very far when divided up between the various departments vying for more money.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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I would love the see the police get a substantial pay rise and for there to be more police around. But they have to be paid for and there just isn't the money available. There is already a strong possibility that taxes will have to go up in order to fund the government's plans to improve the NHS. To get a better police force then taxes would have to rise again which wouldn't go down to well.

We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

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By *nubis51   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy."

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

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By *orum reader   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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This government have reduced the deficit but by increasing the national debt

A lot of the borrowing from 2008 onwards was to cover the rescue of the banks and quanative easing

As the banks are now in a better financial position they should have to repay the money plus interest make a small increase in corporation tax and stop the roll of universal credit and the benefits freeze

At the moment it's those at the very bottom who are paying the most

Every council has had huge cut backs which in general have been passed on to pensioners and the dusadvanged by the removal of services

An increase in tax rate for high earners is counter productive but we as a country should be making sure the big corporations pay their taxes.

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. "

It's not all one sided. May said there was no magic money tree to give nurses a pay rise and in no time at all found the money to pay a bribe to the DUP. We sometimes have short/selective memories

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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Despite the crime rate, figures etc. we should applaud the Police for the difficult job they are doing. The dangers they face from day to day just doing their job is remarkable. Takes a lot of guts to be a Bobby today.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 1 week ago

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Agree with the above, but we need more of them. How can any politician worth their salt not recognise this? Law and order is the last thing that should be subject to the vagaries of budget cuts …. indeed, when times are tight, that's when law breaking increases …. it ain't rocket science.

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This lack of police is Teresa May's fault as she cut the numbers and stated, in parliament, that it would only be back office numbers being cut. If she can be economical with the truth over police numbers what is she be economical with about brexit

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 7 days ago

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It cant be denied that the massive cuts to the police is going to get even worse regarding crime and its victims. But the governments way is to blame anyone else and when that fails just deny there is a problem at all.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 days ago

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"This lack of police is Teresa May's fault as she cut the numbers and stated, in parliament, that it would only be back office numbers being cut. If she can be economical with the truth over police numbers what is she be economical with about brexit"

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 days ago

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"It cant be denied that the massive cuts to the police is going to get even worse regarding crime and its victims. But the governments way is to blame anyone else and when that fails just deny there is a problem at all."

you are absolutely correct conservative party blame labour and same other way around but instead of that they really need to look into what to do about it not point finger

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 days ago

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

It's not all one sided. May said there was no magic money tree to give nurses a pay rise and in no time at all found the money to pay a bribe to the DUP. We sometimes have short/selective memories "

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By *orderguard  (M) 5 days ago

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"I would love the see the police get a substantial pay rise and for there to be more police around. But they have to be paid for and there just isn't the money available. There is already a strong possibility that taxes will have to go up in order to fund the government's plans to improve the NHS. To get a better police force then taxes would have to rise again which wouldn't go down to well.

We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy."

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. "

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By *aravaggio  (M) 5 days ago

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Instead of pouring billions into "Foreign Aid", (slush fund/bribe pot) how about spending some of it on ourselves? Put some proper cops on the street, and make the citizens of this country a little happier, AND SAFER … it would be money damn well spent, irrespective of the fact that it is every government's prime responsibility to look after it's citizens.

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. "

Yes Thatcher definitely got that one right.

It is always the case that a party in oppostion can criticise good/bad ideas and announce unworkable plans just as supporters of an opposition party can do the same (whichever party is in power) as they have nothing to prove and by the time they are/if they are elected everyone has forgotten the ridiculous things they sais when in oppostion.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 5 days ago

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"We've become a bit of a credit card nation with our buy-now-pat-sometime ways. A lot of households have got into deep water doing this. Dread to think what would happen if a government pursued such a policy.

It's been Labour Party policy for years though, screw the economy and leave somebody else to sort it out - remember the 'there's no money left' note left by Liam Byrne in 2010? Then the Labour manifesto for the last General Election produced McDonnell's magic money tree! As Maggie Thatcher once said, the trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

Yes Thatcher definitely got that one right.

It is always the case that a party in oppostion can criticise good/bad ideas and announce unworkable plans just as supporters of an opposition party can do the same (whichever party is in power) as they have nothing to prove and by the time they are/if they are elected everyone has forgotten the ridiculous things they sais when in oppostion."

that is so true with today’s government

Last government and most probably next too

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