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By *annyboy87  (M) 28 weeks ago

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Train fare rises have been in news recently, there's also been alot bus fare rises

But alot of complaints over how bad the service you get is

What changes would you make over public transport?

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By *ajor mistake  (M) 28 weeks ago

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i'm semi retired,( work part time from home) and don't tend to use public transport as much as I did, but the other day I got boxed in so had to use the Bus to go into Hastings, a jouney of about 10 mins,now I'm on the main bus route, with a published service of a bus every 10 mins or so, except I stood there for 30 mins, then three busses came together, and I could see a 4th waiting to turn into my road, I would walk it in 20 minutes, so my local service is not very good because you take pot luck, you might get to the stop wait 5 mins, or still be there 30 mins later. so perhaps some jouneys need to be re timed , changed maybe some dropped if it means they run to timetable.

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By  *aul beach    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 28 weeks ago

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"i'm semi retired,( work part time from home) and don't tend to use public transport as much as I did, but the other day I got boxed in so had to use the Bus to go into Hastings, a jouney of about 10 mins,now I'm on the main bus route, with a published service of a bus every 10 mins or so, except I stood there for 30 mins, then three busses came together, and I could see a 4th waiting to turn into my road, I would walk it in 20 minutes, so my local service is not very good because you take pot luck, you might get to the stop wait 5 mins, or still be there 30 mins later. so perhaps some jouneys need to be re timed , changed maybe some dropped if it means they run to timetable. "

Or perhaps reduce all the excessive traffic, roadworks etc. that make it close to impossible for bus services to consistently run to time, add a few more bus lanes for good measure, hey presto, reliable bus service!

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By *ljcleeve   profile verified by photo (M) 28 weeks ago

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With a 6 mile plus journey to the nearest train station, I have no use whatsoever for trains but would welcome a better, reliable bus service.

My youngest uses the bus to get to work but is often having to change plans when the service/school bus he usually uses doesn't turn up, totally unreliable and unacceptable.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 28 weeks ago

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First of all, lets take London, and other large conurbations out of the discussion. If Transport for London were spread across the entire UK, then there would be no problem. So, lets look at how the greater percentage of people live, and how that style of living will increase in then future.

First and foremost, the current method of private organisations offering public transport is laughable. They have to make a profit for both shareholders and to enable continual inward investment. If they continue to offer the kind of service to outlying areas, where increasingly large numbers of people live, then in effect, there will never be a public transport system. It has to be taken into public ownership, nationwide.

Running a service around a central built up area that is highly populated, such as London, is good for both public and those who provide the service … customers everywhere you look, therefore vehicles and trains to satisfy these customers, everywhere you look. Even cabs who charge sensible prices. Wonderful! Why anyone owns a car in London, is beyond me!! However, go to any provincial town, and the story is very different. The larger percentage of people do not live in the town, they inhabit the surrounding countryside in small pockets of dwellings, where a car is an absolute necessity, because no bus provider could offer a service that would be profitable without charging a price that would be self defeating. The trend is for people to leave the more centralised areas for the new estates that are springing up like mushrooms. To run a regular and convenient bus service for these areas cannot possibly be undertaken privately, therefore the only people who can run such a service at a loss, is the government.

Regular and often, and at a price that is affordable …… but it will never happen. The irony is, because of circumstances imposed by government, the way our living has been planned for us, we are a nation of car users, better we accept that fact, and cater for it.

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*Ybear By *Ybear  (M) 28 weeks ago

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Electric powered driverless cars are the future of public transport in rural communities. They could pick up a passenger in town take them to an outlying village and just wait there until someone nearby needs transport. With no drivers wages or comfort to consider it could wait for another fare paying customer without costing the company money.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 28 weeks ago

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"Electric powered driverless cars are the future of public transport in rural communities. They could pick up a passenger in town take them to an outlying village and just wait there until someone nearby needs transport. With no drivers wages or comfort to consider it could wait for another fare paying customer without costing the company money."

now that's a brilliant idea

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By (user no longer on site) 28 weeks ago

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"Electric powered driverless cars are the future of public transport in rural communities. They could pick up a passenger in town take them to an outlying village and just wait there until someone nearby needs transport. With no drivers wages or comfort to consider it could wait for another fare paying customer without costing the company money.now that's a brilliant idea "

Whilst a good idea not really practical.

Anything sitting empty costs money, no company would allow that.

Also who would hook up the car to the charging point or by the time the next person got in it it would be out of juice.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 28 weeks ago

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"Electric powered driverless cars are the future of public transport in rural communities. They could pick up a passenger in town take them to an outlying village and just wait there until someone nearby needs transport. With no drivers wages or comfort to consider it could wait for another fare paying customer without costing the company money."

I don't think you've thought that idea through, totally impractical on every level. Power source? How many per head of population will be provided? A door to door service to deal with the weekly or monthly shop? Vehicle availability? Breakdown service?? Vandalism within 48 hours of system going live? 50% dismantled and sold to the local scrappy within a year? …….. yeah, great idea …

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By *orderguard  (M) 28 weeks ago

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"Electric powered driverless cars are the future of public transport in rural communities. They could pick up a passenger in town take them to an outlying village and just wait there until someone nearby needs transport. With no drivers wages or comfort to consider it could wait for another fare paying customer without costing the company money."

Nice idea but couldn't work. You'd have to have someone watching them 24/7 with a surveillance camera because they would get stolen or vandalised. So they might as well be the driver of the car.

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By *ackcarter  (M) 28 weeks ago

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"Electric powered driverless cars are the future of public transport in rural communities. They could pick up a passenger in town take them to an outlying village and just wait there until someone nearby needs transport. With no drivers wages or comfort to consider it could wait for another fare paying customer without costing the company money."

Isn't the cost of the vehicle a cost too?

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*Ybear By *Ybear  (M) 28 weeks ago

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I where do you people live, Damascus? I find it is possible to park a car without it being stolen or vandalised. Of course any company running this type of vehicle would have it equipped with the latest security features such as cameras inside and out (which are needed for driverless cars anyway) and real time GPS tracking with a 5G link to a central office.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 28 weeks ago

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How many Boris bikes went missing in the first 6 months????

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By *poty   profile verified by photo (M) 28 weeks ago

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Only Boris knows the answer to that. And then here will probably double it.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 28 weeks ago

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The point I'm trying to make, and to be frank, I thought it a pretty obvious one, is that vehicles such as you describe will not be cheap and will be stuffed with salvageables. They will be stolen, and I have yet to hear about a camera that can see under balaclavas ………. who was that masked man they say? He's the Clone Ranger, Ranger, Ranger … Hi Ho Silver Away! Ride into tomorrow today …. great song!! ….

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*Ybear By *Ybear  (M) 28 weeks ago

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The whole point of the tracking is that if the car moves from its assigned location the police can be notified immediately and the car recovered. Why would any thief risk that when they can steal a Ford Focus from anywhere without anyone knowing for sometime and they are a lot easier to sell on.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 27 weeks ago

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"The whole point of the tracking is that if the car moves from its assigned location the police can be notified immediately and the car recovered. Why would any thief risk that when they can steal a Ford Focus from anywhere without anyone knowing for sometime and they are a lot easier to sell on."

"The police can be notified immediately" … …. so every time a vehicle moves, even legitimately, the police are informed??? They're going to love that. How does the vehicle know whether its a bonafide movement, or a trip to the scrappy less its black box?

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By (user no longer on site) 27 weeks ago

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"The whole point of the tracking is that if the car moves from its assigned location the police can be notified immediately and the car recovered. Why would any thief risk that when they can steal a Ford Focus from anywhere without anyone knowing for sometime and they are a lot easier to sell on.

"The police can be notified immediately" … …. so every time a vehicle moves, even legitimately, the police are informed??? They're going to love that. How does the vehicle know whether its a bonafide movement, or a trip to the scrappy less its black box?"

The on board computer should know whether its a valid movement or not BUT the point of this was its in some village somewhere waiting for its next renter.

So 1st how long do you think it would be until our wonderful bobbies with nothing else to do but look after some companies cars take to get to the car , on current form a day or so by which time the thief has switched off the tracker, taken all the IT and most likely left the car.

2nd No one would let a valuable asset sit there not being used for more than an hour or so, so it would be sent to the next caller leaving places with transport.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 27 weeks ago

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Looks like no one has seen. That bit of news that the police force as had record number of cuts over last eight years.

So where do they think the man/woman power to chase every stolen driverless car is coming from.

Street crimes are on rise because no police on streets as they haven't got the numbers to do so.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 27 weeks ago

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Whatever … its a crap idea and simply isn't feasible, least of all because of the enormous cost involved. That said, given that we're undertaking such pointless projects as HS2, this might be considered a mass employment project, as well. Indeed, make them easily vandalised and hey presto! A whole new repair industry created o/night. That should create a hundred or so jobs in every borough council ….

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By *harliek1963   profile verified by photo (TV/TS/CD) 25 weeks ago

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having worked for tfl for a few years and living in yorkshire its ouite easy to see the rest of the country needs this system implicating asap it makes endless amounts of jobs both in the tfl part and the thousands of supporting spin off companies which seem endless how many depots repair maintance people lifts escallators tunnell excavators etc jobs are created and these would be permenant station staff etc and thats not including the busses and of course the oyster card system is easy and cheep forget hs2

start linking the norths towns like sheffield to rotherham to doncaster to retford etc then people can travel quickly and reliably to work

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By *aravaggio  (M) 25 weeks ago

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I don't think its the linking of towns that's the problem, more the provision of services to the outlying areas ….. which is where most people live, nowadays!!!

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 25 weeks ago

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One reason that I have moved into a town [well if you can call this place a town] is that if there comes a time when I cannot drive I wont be isolated as there are shops and a surgery within walking distance. Where I lived before the only bus was the school one which would accept non school passengers but obviously very limited. Public transport here is a rare and wonderful thing.

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By *oondog   profile verified by photo (M) 25 weeks ago

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Rare, wonderful and quite expensive!

Here it's £4 to go less than a mile!

Cheaper if you can get an Über lol

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By *aravaggio  (M) 25 weeks ago

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I live about 2.5 miles from the city centre, yet I'm a mile from a bus route. My house is relatively isolated in so much as my nearest neighbours are 200 yds away, but there are still scores of properties within walking distance, so its not as if I live in the back of beyond, as I say, its only two and a half miles from Old Alfred's statue. So, I walk down the continuous 1/10 hill (that is seriously steep), fine, but walking back up with two fistfuls of shopping?? never mind the problem of sitting with my cans of this and packets of that falling all over the place on the bus ………. nah! Doesn't work.

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*hmactive By *hmactive  (M) 25 weeks ago

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Electric and driverless transport will come in near fututre. Just matter of time, mainly the goverments or elite around tge would have slove the problems of worlds poor cirizens.

How to ues workforce effectively if not hiw to feed, clothe and house them ethically.

Plus the new laws to be passed with regards, everthing to do with driverless transport.

Not just cars, tranaport of good, ships and planes, practically every mode of transport to. All modes of tranaport will be automated no matter how much our leaders tells us no jobs will be lost.

Take my situation, i have to zero hour contract j9bs not a days work from either since boxing day and i dont count as unemployed. Published employment figures just a joke no way do they reflwct tge reality.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 25 weeks ago

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err …. right ..

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