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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 7 weeks ago

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One of the latest proposals by that chameleon politician Jeremy Corbyn is for another referendum. One option he has suggested is that the question sked should be do we accept Mrs May's deal or do we stay in the EU? Not likely to happen but wonder how the 'leave at all costs and to hell with the consequences' brigade would react, or even vote, with that option.

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*s55 By *s55  (M) 7 weeks ago

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How can anyone listen to him he changes direction quicker then the wind he is a total bellend

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*ltrent47 By *ltrent47   profile verified by photo (M) 7 weeks ago

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"How can anyone listen to him he changes direction quicker then the wind he is a total bellend"

Only trouble with that comment is that we all like bell ends, lol!!

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*oredEric By *oredEric  (M) 7 weeks ago

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The Leader of the Opposition is the easiest job in the UK, it's also one of the best paid ones. You don't actually need to do anything or believe in anything. All you have to do is spout whatever rubbish comes to mind, but keep it just sensible enough to keep your job and the party happy to keep the job, but enough to stop the electorate from voting for you.

So we get the perfect candidate. Jeremy Corbyn, he talks about a return to a golden age of Socialism, one that never existed, the one we had he doesn't want, the one we'd like as they enjoyed in Scandinavia we can't afford, and the one they had in Russia we don't want. Bt there is the appeal of it, so it appeals to the core of the Party, they'll argue about the degree among themselves and fracture and splinter so enough of the public won't vote for them.

Take now, Brexit. Good or Bad we voted for it. the job of politicians was one thing, deliver the will of the people. That is supposedly the purpose of Government, so they should have swallowed their battered and bruised egos and worked together to deliver a Brexit we and Europe could live with. What did we get? Npthing, sitting on hid backside sniping from the sidelines, like a Football Manager game player screaming in the ear of the guy at Chelsea how if he spends £53 million on some kid from Peru like he did in the game last night, they'll wn the Champions League beating Grimsby Town in the final after penalties.

If Mrs May says Red, he'll say Blue, she says Steak he'll say Vegetarian Goulash, just whatever keeps him sat that side of the House of Commons. Whenever there's a risk they might have to do some work wheel out Diane Abbott on Radio 4 in the morning, then if that doesn't sink the SS Electable a rant from him on why a Stalinist resurgence would be good for foreign trade, we could up our trade balance with the USSR, which no longer exists as we all know, but it would do just enough to stop them doing any work.

He's unelectable, which means we're stuck with what we've got, Establishment riddled class warfare, where the excesses of the rich are paid for by denying the poor the right to a decent existence, making everyone terrified of losing their job, stripping us of our rights to complain, and God forbid you fall into the Kafkaesque orbit of the DWP, then you learn the meaning of suffering.

What we need is a new kind of politics, one removed from serving the rich, but not serving any Communist dogma, The spirit of the French Revolution, the spirit of the American Revolution, and others before the Establishment reasserts itself and we return to the status quo, and not their good period, the weird early shit or the churning it out for the hell of it and the pension fund stuff.

Rant ends.

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*Ybear By *Ybear  (M) 7 weeks ago

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If another referendum is held asking only if we want the May deal or to remain in the EU it would not be acceptable to Brexiteers.

With the Irish backstop in place we would effectively be asked to choose between two ways to remain in the EU. The only way a referendum could work is if it offered the option of a no deal Brexit as well. Of course the remainers who want a new referendum don’t want to offer this option as it risks their ultimate nightmare coming true.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 7 weeks ago

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Thing is you can only have one question with a yes/no answer on a referendum. Otherwise you don't get a a clear majority. Only a fudge.

It is basically the problem with referenda. With the 2016 one the hardline Brexiteers assumed we all voted to leave with a hard no-deal Brexit and to hell with the consequences. That was not necessarily the case.

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*Ybear By *Ybear  (M) 7 weeks ago

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It is quite possible to offer three options which you mark 1,2,3 according to your preference. After the vote if there is no overall majority then the third placed options votes are then redistributed according to their second preference and you are left with a winner.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 7 weeks ago

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"It is quite possible to offer three options which you mark 1,2,3 according to your preference. After the vote if there is no overall majority then the third placed options votes are then redistributed according to their second preference and you are left with a winner."

You're not left with a winner, you're left with something that nobody really wants. In or out is the only question. Nothing about deals, nothing about customs union. Hang on, wasn't that what we voted against in the first place???? ….

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 7 weeks ago

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"It is quite possible to offer three options which you mark 1,2,3 according to your preference. After the vote if there is no overall majority then the third placed options votes are then redistributed according to their second preference and you are left with a winner.

You're not left with a winner, you're left with something that nobody really wants. In or out is the only question. Nothing about deals, nothing about customs union. Hang on, wasn't that what we voted against in the first place???? …. "

I agree that a triple, or more, part question in a referendum would lead to a totally fudged result with 2nd and even 3rd preferences. A bit like the Clegglet's AV System or Second Past The Post as it came to be known/

On the question of what did we vote for then there is no clear answer. I voted to leave but not to leave at all costs. I wanted a smooth amicable departure. Not to be cast adrift without an paddle and hope everything works out in the end.

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*Ybear By *Ybear  (M) 7 weeks ago

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"It is quite possible to offer three options which you mark 1,2,3 according to your preference. After the vote if there is no overall majority then the third placed options votes are then redistributed according to their second preference and you are left with a winner.

You're not left with a winner, you're left with something that nobody really wants. In or out is the only question. Nothing about deals, nothing about customs union. Hang on, wasn't that what we voted against in the first place???? ….

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What you are left with is a compromise that the majority can put up with, at the moment there is no clear way forward that can command a majority in the House of Commons or the country.

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"It is quite possible to offer three options which you mark 1,2,3 according to your preference. After the vote if there is no overall majority then the third placed options votes are then redistributed according to their second preference and you are left with a winner."

So everybody gets what nobody wants. That’s democracy for you right there!

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*9al By *9al  (M) 7 weeks ago

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I personally rather like fudge, if there are 3 or more options the one adopted is the one everyone can live with. we are all going to have to live with the decision whatever it is, there is too much talk of winners & losers

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*9al By *9al  (M) 7 weeks ago

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I personally rather like fudge, if there are 3 or more options the one adopted is the one everyone can live with. we are all going to have to live with the decision whatever it is, there is too much talk of winners & losers

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*9al By *9al  (M) 7 weeks ago

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I personally rather like fudge, if there are 3 or more options the one adopted is the one everyone can live with. we are all going to have to live with the decision whatever it is, there is too much talk of winners & losers

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"It is quite possible to offer three options which you mark 1,2,3 according to your preference. After the vote if there is no overall majority then the third placed options votes are then redistributed according to their second preference and you are left with a winner.

You're not left with a winner, you're left with something that nobody really wants. In or out is the only question. Nothing about deals, nothing about customs union. Hang on, wasn't that what we voted against in the first place???? ….

I agree that a triple, or more, part question in a referendum would lead to a totally fudged result with 2nd and even 3rd preferences. A bit like the Clegglet's AV System or Second Past The Post as it came to be known/

On the question of what did we vote for then there is no clear answer. I voted to leave but not to leave at all costs. I wanted a smooth amicable departure. Not to be cast adrift without an paddle and hope everything works out in the end."

I think that Mr C has a point in what he says. I voted to remain, but I don't recall any mention of an exit deal, or having to pay billions to the EU. To me, and many others, it was a leave or remain vote.

There is no problem with having three options on a ballot, the problem arises when others want multiple options. With three it always gives you the least worst option as the winner. That is the option that the majority can live with.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 7 weeks ago

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"It is quite possible to offer three options which you mark 1,2,3 according to your preference. After the vote if there is no overall majority then the third placed options votes are then redistributed according to their second preference and you are left with a winner.

You're not left with a winner, you're left with something that nobody really wants. In or out is the only question. Nothing about deals, nothing about customs union. Hang on, wasn't that what we voted against in the first place???? ….

I agree that a triple, or more, part question in a referendum would lead to a totally fudged result with 2nd and even 3rd preferences. A bit like the Clegglet's AV System or Second Past The Post as it came to be known/

On the question of what did we vote for then there is no clear answer. I voted to leave but not to leave at all costs. I wanted a smooth amicable departure. Not to be cast adrift without an paddle and hope everything works out in the end. I think that Mr C has a point in what he says. I voted to remain, but I don't recall any mention of an exit deal, or having to pay billions to the EU. To me, and many others, it was a leave or remain vote.

There is no problem with having three options on a ballot, the problem arises when others want multiple options. With three it always gives you the least worst option as the winner. That is the option that the majority can live with."

But you see, on that type if vote, you HAVE to put the alternatives in order, even if for example only one of the three is acceptable to you. If you dont fill in the form correctly then itll ve treated as a spoiled ballit paper. So, in effect, you are being made to select something you definitely do not want. It doesnt work.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 7 weeks ago

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Excuse my fat fingers on a phone keypad ....

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By *oondog   profile verified by photo (M) 7 weeks ago

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The benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing!

At the time of the vote, the implications and process were completely unknown. It's never been done before, and whether we like it or not, the UK has integrated into the heart of the European machine in most respects except the adoption of the currency.

These people who complain there wasn't a plan, we weren't told this or that, are just being naive. The negotiations had to start and be almost concluded before the true shape of Brexit could be identified.

That would have been the same whoever was in power.

Whilst the implications are much clearer now the impacts on the Uk will depend on the actions of the EU. They may decide when the day comes to be a little less rigid when the see the damage to their own economies.

A no-deal Brexit may bring them much faster to the table and to be accommodating when it happens or it may just wreck all our economies for a while.

When Cameron went round looking for reforms they stuck two fingers up at him. They are doing the same now. Let's see if that changes but one thing we know is they never capitulate until the final moment.

Any delay just prolongs the agony.

It could have been so very different if they'd worked with us to get a impact limiting deal and had a more accommodating style.

I've moved from remain to leave with a deal to just leave and let's get on with the rest of our lives. We are a remarkable nation we'll survive and prosper if we unite.

If the bickering continues millions will pay.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 7 weeks ago

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Two points here. I did not take much notice of the televised debates prior to the referendum. I could make my own mind up without scare stories and distortions of the truth by both sides. I did, however, host a meeting by my then MP who gave his idea of Brexit. A Brexiteer himself talk about a 'negotiated settlement for a smooth departure' or, in layman's terms a deal. Cannot believe he was the only MP thinking that way.

On the subject of referenda we have had very few in this country and they have all had a yes/no question rather than a multi choice. Perhaps other countries do. Eliminating 2nd, 3rd and 4th vote answers may get some sort of result but it would not be a very satisfactory one. So another referendum would need a straightforward question with a yes/no answer. I rather hope there isn't one and that parliament accepts the deal before it, with all its anomalies and faults, and that we leave the EU by the end of the month and take things from there.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 7 weeks ago

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We know as much now, as we did when the original vote took place. It was always going to be a leap of faith to vote leave. The only thing that is now clouding the minds of the electorate is a continuation of project fear, carried out by those who have vested interests in the United States of Europe. Those who disagree, tell me what we KNOW now that we didn't previously? I doubt you'll come up with a single thing.

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*oredEric By *oredEric  (M) 7 weeks ago

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The issue with "Project Fear" is it's a 360 degree programme run by those behind the scenes. Common Purpose has a large part in that. The Frankfurt School model we had foist upon us. The reality is that apart from local single issue problems that democracy is a sham. There's nothing to pick between any of the politicians, all those Thatcher haters seem happy with Labour that is far to the right of where she ever dared dream of being. We had them in power, where's the Socialist Paradise?

Whoever is in charge we'll be screwed over. When was the last time anyone went on strike or protested? Thought not, most are too frightened, too scared, too afraid of the consequences.

Stop watching the news for a week, just read it. You'll find your stress levels drop and you're much happier. The news is designed to keep you frightened and afraid. Accepting of your situation, afraid of what might happen. Because there are consequences! I lost a job because of illness, they lost at a tribunal, and I poked my head above the parapet with Common Purpose, that got scary. There is a dark hidden agenda, essentially it goes back to when politicians realised Orwell's 1984 could be a roadmap not a warning, and billionaires realised the best way to protect their interests was to buy off the politicians to let them promote their skewed twisted vision.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 7 weeks ago

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As for Orwell's 1984, we were so smug in believing it could never happen that it overtook us and now there is no turning back the clock. We are led like sheep, doublespeak has become the common language ( just look at how Tory supporters turn Daisy May's failures into successes) and some people communicate with the thing in the corner called Alexa while our every move is logged.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 7 weeks ago

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The EU basically is the Orwellian Big Brother with its ended petty rules and red tape. This is why I voted to leave. Nothing to do with immigration [most of which comes from outside the EU anyway] or some fanciful idea that we can become a self-satisfying Utopia.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 7 weeks ago

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We don't have to look across The Channel to see signs of a dystopian society. People in glass houses ....

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By *awtyCawty  (M) 6 weeks ago

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If people are afraid of a dystopian society then simply don’t vote Labour. That’s what socialism will bring. If it was up to the Corbynator we would all be living in shit council houses with dull menial state run jobs all earning our shitty £25k a year. That’s why he doesn’t like the rich or the self employed or Jewish people. He can’t control them. That’s why he wants everything nationalised, so he can control them. That’s why he wants to restrict the free press, so he can control them. It’s all about control. Socialism destroys free thinking, destroys ambition, destroys hard work. Everyone working for the greater good? Fuck that. I want to have more money than poor people, and don’t mind if some people are richer than me. They have probably earned it and worked harder than I have. If you are poor or homeless or whatever it is probably your own fault or as a result of the choices you have made in life. Rant over have a happy Sunday.

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*hmactive By *hmactive  (M) 6 weeks ago

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What a load of bull description of scocoalism. What you implying or in your mind think about Corbyn,Labour party stands for is.

Your view cannot be furthest away from from Labour party is about. Who cares how much money one got i retired at 50 so. What are most people do8ng at tgat age?

I truly believe and lived as a socialist. The propganda we in BBC and rest of the press is biased no free press in this world people.

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*oredEric By *oredEric  (M) 6 weeks ago

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Ok, these socialist politicians, why do they invariably send their children to public school? They brought in comprehensive education as being good enough for the majority, but send their children to public schools. That hypocrisy alone tells you all you need to know about their beliefs, at the core "do as I say, not as I do". That's the reality of Labour.

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*hmactive By *hmactive  (M) 6 weeks ago

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Now it comes from outside EU before the vote majority came from EU countries.

Becomming a country of underfunded and underpaid. The min pay law has made it lawfully for majority of jobs, min pay has become std as has the temp and Zero hour contracts.

The EU migrants are going away as the gov cuts benefits for firsyv2.5 years they are here for... or staying away

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*s55 By *s55  (M) 6 weeks ago

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Excellently put to achieve you must strive yet socialists want to put people into a band with no options to achieve more

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By *evealing  (M) 6 weeks ago

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I think it's called the Lowest Common Denominator

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By *evealing  (M) 6 weeks ago

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I thought you were talking about the church! They liked to control everything

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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The socialist Utopia that Corbyn and his cohorts are planning for us is a fantasy. In truth they would turn us into a third world country. A bit like Venezuela. But they can't see that as none of them have had any practical experience of life let alone government.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 6 weeks ago

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The present Tory crew have already made this a third-world country for many of the poor and vulnerable. They may have improved things for a minority of the rich and powerful but it has been at the expense of the middle class and those at the bottom of the ladder in terms of wealth and power.

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By *oondog   profile verified by photo (M) 6 weeks ago

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It always is at the expense of the middle class and worse off.

It's not just Tory governments that rule for the rich but it's been every labour government since the war. There's a thin veneer of Tory policy that attempts to give something to the less well off but it's generally accepted that Tories are the party of the well off and business, and they'll keep the country afloat generally.

Labour always claim to milk the rich but never actually do. If you look at the labour MPs and major donors many of them are rich beyond our wildest dreams.

If I believed for one moment they were capable of bringing a degree of looking after the worst off I'd vote for them but I've seen no evidence over the last 40 years.

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*hris51234 By  *hris51234    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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Hmmmm never see a poor Union Leader wonder why that is.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 6 weeks ago

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How many have you known? I knew two and they were certainly not wealthy.

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*hris51234 By  *hris51234    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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Where they poor?did they have as little as the members they 'represent?' Bob Crowe had a few bob when he died he done little for me when i ws in the RMT!

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 6 weeks ago

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I'll do a Tory and say 'it depends what you mean by poor'

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*hris51234 By  *hris51234    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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Did they have as little as the people they supposedly represented, the question was there quite typical you avoid an answer

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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"The present Tory crew have already made this a third-world country for many of the poor and vulnerable. They may have improved things for a minority of the rich and powerful but it has been at the expense of the middle class and those at the bottom of the ladder in terms of wealth and power."

That is exactly how it was under Blair and Brown. No doubt it would be the same under your Mr Corbyn as the rich would get their money out of the country and the middle-class and the poor would end up paying of Labour's crackpot ideas.

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*hmactive By *hmactive  (M) 6 weeks ago

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Labour party is for all. But in the Tony Blair times ( even tough he has a Labour pedigree in family roots)

He was a wolf in sheep's wool disguise.

That's why the latest so called Labour Mps are leaving the Labour party. Because Labour have a good strong labour plociy believer. The cant get their way so tgey are ants in the Labour party...

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 6 weeks ago

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So what you are actually saying is that it's OK for the poor and vulnerable to suffer as long as it is under the Tories. Out of curiosity, how much do you get paid for towing the party line and being their mouthpiece on here? And he's not my Mr Corbyn - I voted Independent.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 6 weeks ago

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My previous comment was for the true-blue knight.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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And my previous comment was aimed at winding up the Corbynista despite his unconvincing protest that he is not

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 6 weeks ago

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You know nothing about me so you don't know who I support and I have no wish to convince you about anything.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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And you know nothing about me either yet you are extremely judgemental.

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By  *ed5SIB    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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I refer you to the comments made some moments ago. ( John Major loved saying that ) !!,

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*Ybear By *Ybear  (M) 6 weeks ago

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I love the way everyone talks about how poor we are in this country, we are one of the richest countries in the world and if you care to do a little research you can find that out.

Try googleing “average household disposable income “ you might be surprised how well off we are.

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*9al By *9al  (M) 6 weeks ago

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the average income may be high but dose not mean people at the bottom end are well off,

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By *nello  (M) 6 weeks ago

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I am always confused in this subject.

democracy is suppose to be a power of "democ" (from greek democ = people).

from one point of view : people have to take decision (so referendum)

from other point of view: do people really take decisions?

the only thing I am sure is that me, as a tax payer, have to support political games (conditions of game are simple: I must follow the rules that are defined not by me and I cannot know the truth about how game is going on)

sorry, maybe this is stupid, but this is my opinion. in any way, one referendum or another - does it really change the situation? or this is just another games of politicians for the place under the sun?

4 years ago I stopped to watch TV, and no regrets. have more time for me and my head is clean from this Chanel of Info (as usually subjective and one-sided).

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By *orum reader  (M) 6 weeks ago

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"I love the way everyone talks about how poor we are in this country, we are one of the richest countries in the world and if you care to do a little research you can find that out.

Try googleing “average household disposable income “ you might be surprised how well off we are."

The average income might be relatively high but that is an average so a large group will get a lot more than that and a largecwill get a lot less than that

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 6 weeks ago

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Yes, some very high earners push up the average, and it is also true that the costs of basic services like travel, phone, gas and electricity are much higher than in many other countries.

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By *ikey1973   profile verified by photo (M) 6 weeks ago

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Is not the median more indicative than the average?

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By *nello  (M) 6 weeks ago

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"Is not the median more indicative than the average?"

yes, it is and statistically more adequate and correct estimation. But significant majority of population does know even different between moda, median and average and doesn't know what it is.

average is simple to calculate, so, probably, more understandable for majority of people and doesn't matter that is surrealistic and practically non-significant estimation.

But those who understand at least these 3 estimations know what they meant and how to use them all together to get more precise result

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By *amekeeper  (M) 6 weeks ago

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Attributed it to the British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

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By *nello  (M) 6 weeks ago

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I like all opinions, even of those who has weaknesses in statistics lol weather they are liars, damned liars or just a pm lol

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There's been an earth tremor reported. It was thought it was due to fracking, but I think it was my English grammar teacher spinning in his grave.

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By *aravaggio  (M) 6 weeks ago

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"We know as much now, as we did when the original vote took place. It was always going to be a leap of faith to vote leave. The only thing that is now clouding the minds of the electorate is a continuation of project fear, carried out by those who have vested interests in the United States of Europe. Those who disagree, tell me what we KNOW now that we didn't previously? I doubt you'll come up with a single thing."

I was right …. AGAIN!!! ….. no examples of what we know now that we didn't know then. So, we've had the vote, lets just get on and effing leave!

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 weeks ago

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We should just leave but the millionaires ddown south are so worried about value of their houses dropping big time

Why they trying to sabbageing it

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"We should just leave but the millionaires ddown south are so worried about value of their houses dropping big time

Why they trying to sabbageing it"

What about the millionaires of Manchester? That’s not down south. Lol.

Of course millionaires are all over the country just as poorer people are and everyone who buys a property worries about the value going down.

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"We should just leave but the millionaires ddown south are so worried about value of their houses dropping big time

Why they trying to sabbageing it

What about the millionaires of Manchester? That’s not down south. Lol.

Of course millionaires are all over the country just as poorer people are and everyone who buys a property worries about the value going down. "

But the sabbatabors within are only looking out for the southern millionaires that back they party lol

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"We should just leave but the millionaires ddown south are so worried about value of their houses dropping big time

Why they trying to sabbageing it

What about the millionaires of Manchester? That’s not down south. Lol.

Of course millionaires are all over the country just as poorer people are and everyone who buys a property worries about the value going down. But the sabbatabors within are only looking out for the southern millionaires that back they party lol"

But what about the sabbatabors without? Do they look after the northern millionaires that back they party?

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 6 weeks ago

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I don't know where all the sabotage and Southern millionaires nonsense comes from. The two main parties seem to be split down the middle between Remainers and Leavers. The minor parties are firmly remainers and that includes the Scottish and Welsh Nationalists who can hardly Southerners or millionaires

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 weeks ago

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Really don't know where sabbageing are coming from?

In other words it's the remainers within party's as people say they split down middle.

Why are they being called sabbatabors you may ask.?

They won't accept result trying every thing to get an second referendum

But they existers saying same thing you may say.

Yes they are but that's down to ms daisy mays lame arse deal and her weird ways

She has got no further with deal because she has not done anything to even try

There's an reason she let people vote on it two weeks before exit so people go soft and vote for it rather than no deal as no one wants no deal really.

So come end of month we still have a big toe in eu

All this to keep the millionaires happy especially those that pump money. Into conservative party

There was figures released recently saying conservative party gets alot more money pumped into party

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By *orum reader  (M) 6 weeks ago

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According to the Telegraph online the conservative party got £835,000 in membership and £1.7 million in 2017

The Labour party received £14 .7 in membership fees so one would assume the labour party gets more income

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"According to the Telegraph online the conservative party got £835,000 in membership and £1.7 million in 2017

The Labour party received £14 .7 in membership fees so one would assume the labour party gets more income"

they takings have gone down alongway since may bbecome leader

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"I don't know where all the sabotage and Southern millionaires nonsense comes from. The two main parties seem to be split down the middle between Remainers and Leavers. The minor parties are firmly remainers and that includes the Scottish and Welsh Nationalists who can hardly Southerners or millionaires"

A sensible post.

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By *heshire baldie  (M) 6 weeks ago

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am I missing something? Wtf is a sabbatabors? Is it urban slang since I can't find anything anywhere and so many people are using it

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"According to the Telegraph online the conservative party got £835,000 in membership and £1.7 million in 2017

The Labour party received £14 .7 in membership fees so one would assume the labour party gets more income"

Sorry but those figures do not male any sense whatsoever. Labour Party membership is always going to be high since a lot of Trade Union members are automatically included in party membership. A friend of mine gets a vote in Labour Party affairs through his union membership yet he is a Conservative councillor. I cannot guarantee this is up to date but it was just£3 to join the Labour Party and you automatically got to vote in party elections. Whereas it was £25 to join the Conservative Party and you had to wait six month to be able to vote.

On the question of donations I read somewhere recently that the Conservative Party have received more in the last year than all the other parties put together. And before anyone suggests it this does not all come from big business.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 weeks ago

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"According to the Telegraph online the conservative party got £835,000 in membership and £1.7 million in 2017

The Labour party received £14 .7 in membership fees so one would assume the labour party gets more income

Sorry but those figures do not male any sense whatsoever. Labour Party membership is always going to be high since a lot of Trade Union members are automatically included in party membership. A friend of mine gets a vote in Labour Party affairs through his union membership yet he is a Conservative councillor. I cannot guarantee this is up to date but it was just£3 to join the Labour Party and you automatically got to vote in party elections. Whereas it was £25 to join the Conservative Party and you had to wait six month to be able to vote.

On the question of donations I read somewhere recently that the Conservative Party have received more in the last year than all the other parties put together. And before anyone suggests it this does not all come from big business.

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you are totally correct there Mr nk

Just been looking it up it said same thing

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 weeks ago

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"am I missing something? Wtf is a sabbatabors? Is it urban slang since I can't find anything anywhere and so many people are using it"

are you for real

You can tell what it meant even though I've spelt it incorrectly.

Showed the word to my seven year old kid at lunch she knew exactly what it was meant to say thing put spelling right.

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"am I missing something? Wtf is a sabbatabors? Is it urban slang since I can't find anything anywhere and so many people are using it are you for real

You can tell what it meant even though I've spelt it incorrectly.

Showed the word to my seven year old kid at lunch she knew exactly what it was meant to say thing put spelling right."

well, that wasn't very nice, was it Danny? Nice to see you back, the forums have been too calm and civilised recently.

Luckily I have better reference points and standards than a 7 year old.

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By *annyboy87  (M) 6 weeks ago

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"am I missing something? Wtf is a sabbatabors? Is it urban slang since I can't find anything anywhere and so many people are using it are you for real

You can tell what it meant even though I've spelt it incorrectly.

Showed the word to my seven year old kid at lunch she knew exactly what it was meant to say thing put spelling right.

well, that wasn't very nice, was it Danny? Nice to see you back, the forums have been too calm and civilised recently.

Luckily I have better reference points and standards than a 7 year old."

well I apologise if I've offended you in any way.

But I see you not changed you always like to claim I'm not civilised and other things because you don't like what I have to say and myself. But that's okay.

By the way I have been reading forum but decided not to participate as some like to. Stir

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"According to the Telegraph online the conservative party got £835,000 in membership and £1.7 million in 2017

The Labour party received £14 .7 in membership fees so one would assume the labour party gets more income

Sorry but those figures do not male any sense whatsoever. Labour Party membership is always going to be high since a lot of Trade Union members are automatically included in party membership. A friend of mine gets a vote in Labour Party affairs through his union membership yet he is a Conservative councillor. I cannot guarantee this is up to date but it was just£3 to join the Labour Party and you automatically got to vote in party elections. Whereas it was £25 to join the Conservative Party and you had to wait six month to be able to vote.

On the question of donations I read somewhere recently that the Conservative Party have received more in the last year than all the other parties put together. And before anyone suggests it this does not all come from big business.

"

Exactly.

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"am I missing something? Wtf is a sabbatabors? Is it urban slang since I can't find anything anywhere and so many people are using it are you for real

You can tell what it meant even though I've spelt it incorrectly.

Showed the word to my seven year old kid at lunch she knew exactly what it was meant to say thing put spelling right.

well, that wasn't very nice, was it Danny? Nice to see you back, the forums have been too calm and civilised recently.

Luckily I have better reference points and standards than a 7 year old.well I apologise if I've offended you in any way.

But I see you not changed you always like to claim I'm not civilised and other things because you don't like what I have to say and myself. But that's okay.

By the way I have been reading forum but decided not to participate as some like to. Stir

"

Maybe avoid each other please

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