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By *ikkey69  (M) 23 weeks ago

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Great news, the turkeys are voting for xmas!!

Labour will lose at least 100 seats and the Lib dems will do well to keep their current 13 mps !!

The SNP are a total non entity ,at last the country will have a democratic majority government to enact the wishes of the people .

The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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You must be very happy. Lol.

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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17.4 million is lot of people even in a country of over 60 million adults.

I don’t believe anyone should be ignored after all we are a democracy.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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And the Brexit Party will gain ZERO seats

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By *orum reader  (M) 23 weeks ago

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"Great news, the turkeys are voting for xmas!!

Labour will lose at least 100 seats and the Lib dems will do well to keep their current 13 mps !!

The SNP are a total non entity ,at last the country will have a democratic majority government to enact the wishes of the people .

The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

I hope your predictions on the election are as accurate as your celebrations on the 31st oct when we leave the EU oh no ooops that's not going to happen

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*reshMeatKent By *reshMeatKent  (M) 23 weeks ago

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Only because the politicians refuse to follow the will of the people and act on the democratic referendum result.

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By *ikkey69  (M) 23 weeks ago

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"Only because the politicians refuse to follow the will of the people and act on the democratic referendum result."

Exactly !!

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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Whichever side you are on it’s not democracy that is being discussed. Democracy would dictate another referendum with a better informed public and better phrased questions but I’m sure those talking about democracy don’t want that.

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By (user no longer on site) 23 weeks ago

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Some followers of the deity Brexit are going to be severely disappointed.

Especially the mad ones who ought to crawl back under the stone

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By *amekeeper  (M) 23 weeks ago

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"The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

Parliament has hardly 'ignored' the vote - they've spent the last few years talking about very little else. The fact the it hasn't been enacted is down to the total lack of any feasible plan from the start - no one had (has) any idea how we could untangle ourselves and come out smelling of roses.

We joined (the EC) in 1973 and had a 'democratic' referendum in 1975 to remain. Strangely it was the Labour party that pushed to leave (1983 manifesto). Perhaps we should just stick with that referendum because its undemocratic to have another!

Understand also that Parliament works on a advisarial system (as in our courts). If one side argues 'leave' the opposition are almost obligated to argue 'stay' (defense/prosecution). Eventually its put to a vote and the one with the most votes wins.

However, this 'government' has no majority and is about as useful as a eunuch at a gangbang - enter Super 'Sound Bite' Boris (the heroic white knight) making all sorts of promises he can't possibly keep (it'll all be over by Christmas, lads) and then blaming everyone else for his failures when it goes wrong.

His final(desperate) plan seems to be - get an election, tell yet more lies (sound bites only), defeat the opposition by a massive majority, get the EU deal done and sell off the rest of the uk assets to America a.s.a.p., make a few bob for himself and his friends - sorted.

Using the term 'crucify' indicates that you intend to use violence to get your way because you cannot convince (the other) by logical and reasoned argument - not very democratic!

The 'people' also include the 16.1 million who voted remain, a number of young voters who have now turned 18 less a number of old voters who have died.

... and let's not forget the 26% of voters that didn't vote in original referendum - who knows what they might do.

That whole group of remainers, leavers, new voters, non-voters less the deceased voters is 'the people' and together they will decide the outcome of any future election at the time - not some amateur political pundit with a very dodgy crystal ball.

My advice is stop reading newspapers and filling your head with their polarising hate speech. Newspapers do it to sell newspapers, not to bring you meaningful truths. THINK for yourself. Look beyond the sound bites and rhetoric (the What) and always ask yourself - Why?

Not everything printed or spoken is true (even in this forum) - develop your inner critic, become a better, kinder, person.

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By *asypeasy7672   profile verified by photo (M) 23 weeks ago

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I suspect a large part of that 26% that didn't vote in the ref were complacent and deluded enough not to see the rabid nationalism of brexiters as having a hope in hell of winning the vote.

Pretty sure more than 5% of the population won't make that mistake again given the chance.

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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And the last three years were only about leaving.

When/if we leave the real arguing about everything else can start with europe.

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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Why isn't boris liar dead in a ditch.

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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Surely the last three years were processing an acceptable leaving deal. Obviously those heading Brexit have failed in this to date.

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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"Why isn't boris liar dead in a ditch. "

Why would anyone be dead in a ditch? Can you imagine the thousands of people who have said “ Id rather be dead than stay in the Eu/leave the Eu/have a Labour government/ have a Tory government etc etc ... along with all those who would “kill” for some tasty fish n chips.

Maybe none of these people will follow through and reasonably intelligent people wouldn’t expect them to.

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By *ALLBIMALE52   premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 23 weeks ago

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A lot of bitter and twisted remainers on here telling us who voted to leave how it’s going to be...my advice to you is to get over yourselves, accept you lost and move on. Your argument about us who voted to leave “not knowing what we voted for” ...yawn! As for lies, remember the “there are no plans for a European army!” Why does a trading block need an army?? See what happened to the EU’s expansionist plans in Ukraine, they got their arse handed to them their and they don’t want it to happen again. Strange how the ardent remainers don’t like the subject of the Lisbon treaty being brought up either.

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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""The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

Parliament has hardly 'ignored' the vote - they've spent the last few years talking about very little else. The fact the it hasn't been enacted is down to the total lack of any feasible plan from the start - no one had (has) any idea how we could untangle ourselves and come out smelling of roses.

We joined (the EC) in 1973 and had a 'democratic' referendum in 1975 to remain. Strangely it was the Labour party that pushed to leave (1983 manifesto). Perhaps we should just stick with that referendum because its undemocratic to have another!

Understand also that Parliament works on a advisarial system (as in our courts). If one side argues 'leave' the opposition are almost obligated to argue 'stay' (defense/prosecution). Eventually its put to a vote and the one with the most votes wins.

However, this 'government' has no majority and is about as useful as a eunuch at a gangbang - enter Super 'Sound Bite' Boris (the heroic white knight) making all sorts of promises he can't possibly keep (it'll all be over by Christmas, lads) and then blaming everyone else for his failures when it goes wrong.

His final(desperate) plan seems to be - get an election, tell yet more lies (sound bites only), defeat the opposition by a massive majority, get the EU deal done and sell off the rest of the uk assets to America a.s.a.p., make a few bob for himself and his friends - sorted.

Using the term 'crucify' indicates that you intend to use violence to get your way because you cannot convince (the other) by logical and reasoned argument - not very democratic!

The 'people' also include the 16.1 million who voted remain, a number of young voters who have now turned 18 less a number of old voters who have died.

... and let's not forget the 26% of voters that didn't vote in original referendum - who knows what they might do.

That whole group of remainers, leavers, new voters, non-voters less the deceased voters is 'the people' and together they will decide the outcome of any future election at the time - not some amateur political pundit with a very dodgy crystal ball.

My advice is stop reading newspapers and filling your head with their polarising hate speech. Newspapers do it to sell newspapers, not to bring you meaningful truths. THINK for yourself. Look beyond the sound bites and rhetoric (the What) and always ask yourself - Why?

Not everything printed or spoken is true (even in this forum) - develop your inner critic, become a better, kinder, person.

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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Its not the being dead in a ditch , its the promise that went with it. That is the point.

If you cant see that you should examine your own

morals matey.

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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Didnt your mummy tell you the story of the boy who cried wolf

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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" Didnt your mummy tell you the story of the boy who cried wolf"

ROFL. I just realised the schools are on holiday. Should you be on an adult site?

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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When i find one ill go on it

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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Did i hit a sore point talking bout mums . Sorry

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"Great news, the turkeys are voting for xmas!!

Labour will lose at least 100 seats and the Lib dems will do well to keep their current 13 mps !!

The SNP are a total non entity ,at last the country will have a democratic majority government to enact the wishes of the people .

The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

Your words carry very little weight after all you had to say about 31 October and the great events of that day. So much hot air, but enjoy your trick or treat outing.

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By (user no longer on site) 23 weeks ago

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"Great news, the turkeys are voting for xmas!!

Labour will lose at least 100 seats and the Lib dems will do well to keep their current 13 mps !!

The SNP are a total non entity ,at last the country will have a democratic majority government to enact the wishes of the people .

The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

Crucifixion hasn't got a staggeringly good record of success at changing minds.

And surely 17.4 million turkeys have already voted for Christmas? Bloody expensive turkeys too if you look at the national income.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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"I suspect a large part of that 26% that didn't vote in the ref were complacent and deluded enough not to see the rabid nationalism of brexiters as having a hope in hell of winning the vote.

Pretty sure more than 5% of the population won't make that mistake again given the chance.

"

Here we go again. All the people who voted to leave the EU are a load of rabid nationalists! Suppose all those voted to remain are fine, upstanding, super-intelligent paragons of virtue? Throwing insults around and taking the moral high ground does not help the debate at all. People voted kow they did for a myriad of different reasons on both sides. Perhaps some not quite as legitimate as others and no doubts some were persuaded by the distortions of the truth [downright lies?] and scaremongering told by BOTH sides.

As for the 26% who didn't vote well again no doubt a large number of reasons being unable to get to a polling station to do not have a clear view on the subject or because they never vote. Although I hope that there isn't a repeat referendum it would be interesting to see what the turnout was. I rather think it would be less as people are thoroughly fed-up and confused by the whole issue.

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*oredEric By *oredEric   profile verified by photo (M) 23 weeks ago

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I object strongly to terms like "rabid nationalism", it's assumptive, presumptive, and abusive.

An argument could be made fur Remainers being the true inheritors of fascism looking to establish a one party European superstate. But that's too simplistic, avoids debate, and adds nothing.

Many people feel disenfranchised in our current system, denied a voice on issues about which they feel strongly. Every time an issue is raised accusations of racism, tribalism etc are thrown at them, so there is no legitimate debate. It's a one sided argument where one side feel entitled to dictate the subject, the result, and damn anyone who has the temerity to say anything contrary to their opinion.

That kind of treatment has driven people to despair, changing the government in Parliament has no effect, our parties are idealogically entwined, self serving, and utterly corrupt. People saw the Brexit Referendum as an opportunity to hand a rebuke to politicians, to shake them out of their reverie, I'm not sure anybody expected to win, they just wanted to be heard.

Now look at the mess were in. Politicians and Remainers openly day people are too stupid to be trusted to vote, that 17.4m are racists and that's all that motivates them. That's appalling. How dare they make such comments.

The self serving nature of politicians has never been more clearly demonstrated. Even throw in Scottish Independence. Europe offers them more opportunities to enrich themselves when their Parliamentary career ends, or our their partner on that gravy train. Scottish Independence, oay rises all round and retain access to the European gravy train. No wonder politivians across the board are opposed to Brexit.

You counter how dare I make such suppositions about politicians. Well, I look at their actions, their track record, their deeds versus their words. Base my view on what they've done as opposed to labelling the various Leave or Remain groups as one thing or the other without bothering to listen to their views.

One thing is clear, politicians have no intention of following the will of the people. Personally I believe that Brexit will never happen. Politicians, Common Purpose, the EU, the shadowy money people behind these people will never let it happen, their wealth is more important than our well-being or letting people decide for themselves how they're governed. What were seeing is a clear decline in democracy, because we the people can't be trusted.

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""The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

Parliament has hardly 'ignored' the vote - they've spent the last few years talking about very little else. The fact the it hasn't been enacted is down to the total lack of any feasible plan from the start - no one had (has) any idea how we could untangle ourselves and come out smelling of roses.

We joined (the EC) in 1973 and had a 'democratic' referendum in 1975 to remain. Strangely it was the Labour party that pushed to leave (1983 manifesto). Perhaps we should just stick with that referendum because its undemocratic to have another!

Understand also that Parliament works on a advisarial system (as in our courts). If one side argues 'leave' the opposition are almost obligated to argue 'stay' (defense/prosecution). Eventually its put to a vote and the one with the most votes wins.

However, this 'government' has no majority and is about as useful as a eunuch at a gangbang - enter Super 'Sound Bite' Boris (the heroic white knight) making all sorts of promises he can't possibly keep (it'll all be over by Christmas, lads) and then blaming everyone else for his failures when it goes wrong.

His final(desperate) plan seems to be - get an election, tell yet more lies (sound bites only), defeat the opposition by a massive majority, get the EU deal done and sell off the rest of the uk assets to America a.s.a.p., make a few bob for himself and his friends - sorted.

Using the term 'crucify' indicates that you intend to use violence to get your way because you cannot convince (the other) by logical and reasoned argument - not very democratic!

The 'people' also include the 16.1 million who voted remain, a number of young voters who have now turned 18 less a number of old voters who have died.

... and let's not forget the 26% of voters that didn't vote in original referendum - who knows what they might do.

That whole group of remainers, leavers, new voters, non-voters less the deceased voters is 'the people' and together they will decide the outcome of any future election at the time - not some amateur political pundit with a very dodgy crystal ball.

My advice is stop reading newspapers and filling your head with their polarising hate speech. Newspapers do it to sell newspapers, not to bring you meaningful truths. THINK for yourself. Look beyond the sound bites and rhetoric (the What) and always ask yourself - Why?

Not everything printed or spoken is true (even in this forum) - develop your inner critic, become a better, kinder, person.

"

Excellent post and food for thought.

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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I agree. This government is laughable.

But i am not convinced Mr. Corbyn is up to

leading the labour party. Ive voted labour all my life and will do again in this vote. But without enthusiasm.

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By  *ountain    profile verified by photo premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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And when i look at who else is in charge of labour im not happy with them either. A couple of the ladies on the back benches are good.

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"Great news, the turkeys are voting for xmas!!

Labour will lose at least 100 seats and the Lib dems will do well to keep their current 13 mps !!

The SNP are a total non entity ,at last the country will have a democratic majority government to enact the wishes of the people .

The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

Even with a majority they couldn’t achieve escape velocity- doesn’t that tell you something?

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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" And when i look at who else is in charge of labour im not happy with them either. A couple of the ladies on the back benches are good."

Good thinking. Do you buy food you don’t like the taste of and drive a car which keeps breaking down?

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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Election on 12th December then!

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*reshMeatKent By *reshMeatKent  (M) 23 weeks ago

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No it wouldn't, that would be ignoring the democratic vote because you didn't like the result

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*reshMeatKent By *reshMeatKent  (M) 23 weeks ago

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"I suspect a large part of that 26% that didn't vote in the ref were complacent and deluded enough not to see the rabid nationalism of brexiters as having a hope in hell of winning the vote.

Pretty sure more than 5% of the population won't make that mistake again given the chance.

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Pretty sure you're wrong as the result wasn't a mistake, those voting for foreign rule were wrong.

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*reshMeatKent By *reshMeatKent  (M) 23 weeks ago

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Actually we are the people who have the best interests of our country at heart. We will prosper looking after our own trade and running our own country than under the out of date protection racket that us the EU.

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*reshMeatKent By *reshMeatKent  (M) 23 weeks ago

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It is the role of the politicians to enact the will of the people. The people were asked and the majority decided to leave.

Since then Remainers have made excuse after excuse to try and deny democracy, just as you propose.

You can not just ignore a vote you don't like. The reason it hasn't happened yet is that politicians are not acting as they have been instructed to do by the people which means we cease to be a democracy and by rights anarchy should ensue as politicians have no right to bring in rules to givern the people they refuse to obey.

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By (user no longer on site) 23 weeks ago

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I don’t really care what anyone thinks - come the election I think the liars will get their come-uppance; it’s no coincidence that most of the liars in Westminster (and, obviously that tosser Farage) support Brexit.

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" I agree. This government is laughable.

But i am not convinced Mr. Corbyn is up to

leading the labour party. Ive voted labour all my life and will do again in this vote. But without enthusiasm. "

I’ve voted Conservative and labour in the past because they were the best party to lead at the time.

I won’t be voting for either this year because both are unfit to lead us into the land of milk, honey and diarrhea

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By *poty   profile verified by photo (M) 23 weeks ago

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It don't mater what you vote for where I live. The Conservatives have never lost it . It's one of the safest seats in the country.

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"It is the role of the politicians to enact the will of the people. The people were asked and the majority decided to leave.

Since then Remainers have made excuse after excuse to try and deny democracy, just as you propose.

You can not just ignore a vote you don't like. The reason it hasn't happened yet is that politicians are not acting as they have been instructed to do by the people which means we cease to be a democracy and by rights anarchy should ensue as politicians have no right to bring in rules to govern the people they refuse to obey.

Absolutely spot on.

My conservative m.p. voted to leave so I will be voting for him,otherwise it would be Farrage,

Hope all those m.p.'s that didn't do their job lose their seats.

Disgusting they should be allowed to carry on drawing their salaries and expenses for not carrying out what they were told by the majority of voters to do.

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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Although the Remainers take most of the flak it has been the hard line Brexiteers who have delayed us leaving. Most of the Remainers had accepted the result of the referendum albeit reluctantly and most of those who wanted to Leave just want the right deal along the lines of those promised.

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By (user no longer on site) 23 weeks ago

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I'm looking forward to the election then we, the country, can move on (in theory).

It still won't be the end of it. The Remoaners and the Brexshitters will go on and on and on and on, like some broken record about how we won the war and it's not racism, facism or low sugar levels.

The normal people in the country will get on with the normal way of life, going to work, earning a wage etc, but it'll be the people on the breadline and managing on just their state pension that will suffer (if there's any suffering to be done that is).

I've noticed steadily increasing prices at the supermarkets as they start to pass on "extra costs" or are they simply profiteering - not sure which one. I won't suffer, I'm not on the breadline nor drawing a pension just yet, so why do I care?

I care because we're a mess. This Brexit thing has been a great wheeze for those in a position of power and responsibility who have taken the opportunity to stir the waters of society for their own personal gain, or just out of malice.

Boris Johnson is an imbecile who, like the little toy boat on a municipal park pond, just goes where the breeze blows him and used to just do things "for a laugh" in his own words. Now he's in charge of a failed political party. I do hope he is kicked out, he's the wrong peg.

I have no idea how the votes will be spread and I'd not wager any money on who will get in, or even if anyone has a clear majority.

I do know that, for the sake of our health and well-being, that Brexit has to be delivered, so we can start to properly move on with our lives.

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By *eros54  (M) 23 weeks ago

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I agree Cheshire baldie.

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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I don't give a toss who gets in as they are all liars, bojo being the biggest of them. I am looking forward to all the false promises and guarantees that each one of them will spout bullshit about. Brexit has shown us one thing if nothing else, just how incompetent our MPs. are, run a country?. They couldn't run a bath.

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By *orum reader  (M) 23 weeks ago

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With our FPTP system a large percentage of people who will vote will have no chance of electing the person they vote for because of they happen to live in a safe seat of whichever party ( in my case it's a very safe Tory seat )

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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The electorate are so pissed off with this shower of shit a lot wont even bother to vote, I certainly wont be wasting any of my time. I hope I get some of them at my door, they will be told to F--- right off and shove their opinions where the monkey shoved his nuts.

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"The electorate are so pissed off with this shower of shit a lot wont even bother to vote, I certainly wont be wasting any of my time. I hope I get some of them at my door, they will be told to F--- right off and shove their opinions where the monkey shoved his nuts."

I understand the temptation not to vote. In this area we have a suspended Tory awaiting trial in the summer and he will be re-elected anyway. So mine will be a wasted vote but I still think people should vote, otherwise they have no right to complain about the result.

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We get Labour. They could put up a dog turd, stick a Labour rosette on it, it's guaranteed to get a 23,000 majority.

They tried to deselect her the other week, the local Labour Party, she survived, and all the good little sheep will trot out to vote for her.

If her manifesto was one in ten of her voters would be taken out and shot on Christmas Eve they'd still vote for her, because "I vote Labour because I've always voted Labour". Let's set aside the fact our MP has a track record of saying one thing locally to get support, then in Parliament votes the opposite way. Or that overwhelmingly this is a Brexit area, guess how she voted. Her policies are those of 1980s conservatism in the main, but she wears the red rosette, so she'll be reelected with a massive majority.

I know the Libdem candidate, I tried explaining to him where he's going wrong, so he'll get crushed, again.

We had one a few years ago showed some sense, he went to the areas where she'd flipped on the electorate and people were upset. Knocked on every door in targeted areas, really pushed the local candidate for local people angle, worked hard, I liked him, other people liked him, dropped her over 22,000 majority to 633. A couple more streets and he might have carried it!

I'd suggest if you're pissed off, fed up, disillusioned, then Vote. If you think you're charismatic enough, and can get enough nominations, Stand. But talk to people, stir up some passion, support the candidate who'll come second, not out of loyalty to party but to remove the smug incumbent who's betrayed us all.

Let's be honest all 650 of them, whether you're Remain or Leave those bastards fucked us over. We're a laughing stock, in a right mess. We the people need to unite against the MPs who created this dogs breakfast. I suggest Incumbent Out! Replacement In! They can't be any worse can they!

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"I suggest Incumbent Out! Replacement In! They can't be any worse can they!"

If only that were true but unfortunately it leaves a danger far worse than anything we have now. It could inflict a far left Labour government on the country.

I believe the Libdems are the best of the three main parties but with little chance of winning anything. LibDem,s in a coalition would be the next best thing to an outright win.

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When/if brexit goes away i will miss it .

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"No it wouldn't, that would be ignoring the democratic vote because you didn't like the result"

of course, it's called democracy

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""I suggest Incumbent Out! Replacement In! They can't be any worse can they!"

If only that were true but unfortunately it leaves a danger far worse than anything we have now. It could inflict a far left Labour government on the country.

I believe the Libdems are the best of the three main parties but with little chance of winning anything. LibDem,s in a coalition would be the next best thing to an outright win."

voting labour in would stiff the tories. Of course it would be bad for the country but is it going to be any worse than the tories getting in again? How much is the next round of austerity going to be when they've finished pissing it up the wall expecting us to bankroll it?

Given the current circumstances, it's better the devil you don't know than the complete disaster you do.

Plus, it'd frighten Joeremy Corbyn to death. It's like a dog chasing a bike and then catching it. Doesn't have a clue what to do.

Yes, I'd rather throw the country to the left wing than stick with this right wing shower.

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Plus, it'd frighten Joeremy Corbyn to death. It's like a dog chasing a bike and then catching it. Doesn't have a clue what to do with it"

I read an almost identical comment the other day on a political blog by an ex Labour MP "Corbyn chasing after the keys of No 10 is a bit like a dog chasing after a bike He may possibly catch it but wouldn't have a clue how to ride it"

Similar was once said about Neil Kinnock. Fortunately he lost two general elections. Lt's hop history repeats itself.

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"Although the Remainers take most of the flak it has been the hard line Brexiteers who have delayed us leaving. Most of the Remainers had accepted the result of the referendum albeit reluctantly and most of those who wanted to Leave just want the right deal along the lines of those promised. "

Remainers accepting the result? Really? So what we’re all these supposed millions of them protesting for a while back. What about them insisting the result was ‘advisory’. What about all these rich elite like Gina ‘Hedge Fund Millionairess’ Miller and her wealthy buddies going to court every 5 minutes to block any decision they didn’t like. Not to mention all the Lib Dums insisting they will cancel Brexit. Or am I missing something?

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"Although the Remainers take most of the flak it has been the hard line Brexiteers who have delayed us leaving. Most of the Remainers had accepted the result of the referendum albeit reluctantly and most of those who wanted to Leave just want the right deal along the lines of those promised.

Remainers accepting the result? Really? So what we’re all these supposed millions of them protesting for a while back. What about them insisting the result was ‘advisory’. What about all these rich elite like Gina ‘Hedge Fund Millionairess’ Miller and her wealthy buddies going to court every 5 minutes to block any decision they didn’t like. Not to mention all the Lib Dums insisting they will cancel Brexit. Or am I missing something?"

Not strictly true. A lot of Remainers have accepted the result. My current MP was a remainers but now solidly backs leave. The protesters are probably in their thousands and not the millions that they claim. The referendum was advisory rather than legally binding but the main parties promised to abide by it.

I do share you comtempt and dislike for Gina Millar and her cronies. If anyone deserves to go bankrupt it is them for wasting court time and trying to interfere with democracy. As for the LibDems there chance of winning the general election is about as high as me holidaying on the Moon next summer.

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I suspect the majority of moderate people weather they voted leave or remain would have accepted a moderate soft leave deal, it is the extremists' on both sides who have put us in the present position

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"I suspect the majority of moderate people weather they voted leave or remain would have accepted a moderate soft leave deal, it is the extremists' on both sides who have put us in the present position "

Yes, if only Brexit could end up with a sensible compromise. Neither side gets all of what they want, but each side gets some of what they want. The majority of normal people in the UK could live with that. Sure, the extremists will scream and rant, but screaming and ranting is what they'd do anyway.

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"Although the Remainers take most of the flak it has been the hard line Brexiteers who have delayed us leaving. Most of the Remainers had accepted the result of the referendum albeit reluctantly and most of those who wanted to Leave just want the right deal along the lines of those promised.

Remainers accepting the result? Really? So what we’re all these supposed millions of them protesting for a while back. What about them insisting the result was ‘advisory’. What about all these rich elite like Gina ‘Hedge Fund Millionairess’ Miller and her wealthy buddies going to court every 5 minutes to block any decision they didn’t like. Not to mention all the Lib Dums insisting they will cancel Brexit. Or am I missing something?

Not strictly true. A lot of Remainers have accepted the result. My current MP was a remainers but now solidly backs leave. The protesters are probably in their thousands and not the millions that they claim. The referendum was advisory rather than legally binding but the main parties promised to abide by it.

I do share you comtempt and dislike for Gina Millar and her cronies. If anyone deserves to go bankrupt it is them for wasting court time and trying to interfere with democracy. As for the LibDems there chance of winning the general election is about as high as me holidaying on the Moon next summer."

If you're referring to the prorogation case, that was not a waste of court time. When I think of wasting court time, I think of bringing in some silly case that everybody and their dog knows will be dismissed. That didn't happen with Miller v. HMG.

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"I suspect the majority of moderate people weather they voted leave or remain would have accepted a moderate soft leave deal, it is the extremists' on both sides who have put us in the present position "

That is the problem with our politics, lurching from one grand vision across to a a political Revolution and back again endlessly. each side on doing the work of the other and then setting about fuckng over the lot of us, before they are removed and it all starts again.

When I lived abroad I was amazed how much of our politics was shown on the news, it's because they cannot believe we allow this to go on, "why don't you insist on governments that do their best for everyone?" I was asked more than once. It's a good question. People moaned about the coalition, but during that period we had no grand vision, no great scheme, nothing but keeping things running and not letting anything get out of hand. The politicians hated it, the media, so much so that between them they convinced everyone we hate it, when in reality for once in our lives politics had become anodyne, safe, predictable and they were required to do the job we wanted them to do and not implement some insane scheme that messes everything up for another generation.

I suggest the best way forward is endless coalition, we can't have any big ideas of the right, the revolutionary ideas of the left are cut off at the knees, and all we'd get from Parliament is moderation. That would drive politicians insane, the media would have a kitten fit, and between them we would be lambasted for our temerity in demanding that they govern instead of ruling as they prefer.

But I've been described in the past as an extreme moderate, that if I was any more on the fence I'd have been nailed there.

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If you're referring to the prorogation case, that was not a waste of court time. When I think of wasting court time, I think of bringing in some silly case that everybody and their dog knows will be dismissed. That didn't happen with Miller v. HMG. "

Of course it was a waste of time. What on Earth did it achieve? Absolutely nothing. Parliament returned, they ranted and raved and exchanged insults Didn't pass any worthwhile legislation. Didn't sort out the Brexit impasse. Complete waste of time. But it boosted that ghastly Millar woman's already over-f=inflated ego so I suppose that makes the whole sorry business okay.

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"I suspect the majority of moderate people weather they voted leave or remain would have accepted a moderate soft leave deal, it is the extremists' on both sides who have put us in the present position

That is the problem with our politics, lurching from one grand vision across to a a political Revolution and back again endlessly. each side on doing the work of the other and then setting about fuckng over the lot of us, before they are removed and it all starts again.

When I lived abroad I was amazed how much of our politics was shown on the news, it's because they cannot believe we allow this to go on, "why don't you insist on governments that do their best for everyone?" I was asked more than once. It's a good question. People moaned about the coalition, but during that period we had no grand vision, no great scheme, nothing but keeping things running and not letting anything get out of hand. The politicians hated it, the media, so much so that between them they convinced everyone we hate it, when in reality for once in our lives politics had become anodyne, safe, predictable and they were required to do the job we wanted them to do and not implement some insane scheme that messes everything up for another generation.

I suggest the best way forward is endless coalition, we can't have any big ideas of the right, the revolutionary ideas of the left are cut off at the knees, and all we'd get from Parliament is moderation. That would drive politicians insane, the media would have a kitten fit, and between them we would be lambasted for our temerity in demanding that they govern instead of ruling as they prefer.

But I've been described in the past as an extreme moderate, that if I was any more on the fence I'd have been nailed there."

Well said Borederic. A sane and rational post

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If you're referring to the prorogation case, that was not a waste of court time. When I think of wasting court time, I think of bringing in some silly case that everybody and their dog knows will be dismissed. That didn't happen with Miller v. HMG.

Of course it was a waste of time. What on Earth did it achieve? Absolutely nothing. Parliament returned, they ranted and raved and exchanged insults Didn't pass any worthwhile legislation. Didn't sort out the Brexit impasse. Complete waste of time. But it boosted that ghastly Millar woman's already over-f=inflated ego so I suppose that makes the whole sorry business okay."

No, not a waste of time at all. HMG made a bare-faced blatant attempt to limit the number of sitting days parliament could have before the 31st. Completely correct that a government acting in bad faith like that is taken to task over it. HMG had no good reason whatsoever to try and prorogue for that long. It is immaterial what parliament did or didn't achieve in the time - the issue was that an attempt was made to unfairly stifle it.

People in the UK should be happy that their system of checks and balances is still running OK.

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Quite a few tory supporters I know wont vote tory this time because of bojo, his lies are going to catch up with him, people remember his sacking for telling lies about Colin Lucas and that is a while back, he is a liar and a dangerous one at that. He simply cant be trusted.

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If you're referring to the prorogation case, that was not a waste of court time. When I think of wasting court time, I think of bringing in some silly case that everybody and their dog knows will be dismissed. That didn't happen with Miller v. HMG.

Of course it was a waste of time. What on Earth did it achieve? Absolutely nothing. Parliament returned, they ranted and raved and exchanged insults Didn't pass any worthwhile legislation. Didn't sort out the Brexit impasse. Complete waste of time. But it boosted that ghastly Millar woman's already over-f=inflated ego so I suppose that makes the whole sorry business okay.

No, not a waste of time at all. HMG made a bare-faced blatant attempt to limit the number of sitting days parliament could have before the 31st. Completely correct that a government acting in bad faith like that is taken to task over it. HMG had no good reason whatsoever to try and prorogue for that long. It is immaterial what parliament did or didn't achieve in the time - the issue was that an attempt was made to unfairly stifle it.

People in the UK should be happy that their system of checks and balances is still running OK. "

Sorry but it was a waste of time. A pointless gesture by some ghastly woman, and her cronies, who think they are more important than parliament. The courts are not there to play politics. If that were the case then we might as well not bother with an elected government.

The High Court refused to interfere and it was only the Supreme Court--a fairly recent body and a brainchild of Blair and full of mostly Labour appointees---that over-ruled this prorogation that has been the remit of the prime ministers for centuries.

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Doesn't alter the fact he is an inveterate liar. When does he go in the ditch?.

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"Doesn't alter the fact he is an inveterate liar. When does he go in the ditch?."

Sadly that is yet another promise he won't keep. His backers have very short memories - the poor woman with an extended sentence due to his blather, do or die. no ifs or buts .... Many people are ready to forgive him because he is a right-wing Tory. They are very adept at blaming others and whitewashing their favourite clown. Inveterate liar is absolutely correct - he won't change because there is no reason for him to change as he will never be held accountable. I fear we may be in for more government by rich-kid tantrum.

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The outcome may not be what he is expecting.

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If you're referring to the prorogation case, that was not a waste of court time. When I think of wasting court time, I think of bringing in some silly case that everybody and their dog knows will be dismissed. That didn't happen with Miller v. HMG.

Of course it was a waste of time. What on Earth did it achieve? Absolutely nothing. Parliament returned, they ranted and raved and exchanged insults Didn't pass any worthwhile legislation. Didn't sort out the Brexit impasse. Complete waste of time. But it boosted that ghastly Millar woman's already over-f=inflated ego so I suppose that makes the whole sorry business okay.

No, not a waste of time at all. HMG made a bare-faced blatant attempt to limit the number of sitting days parliament could have before the 31st. Completely correct that a government acting in bad faith like that is taken to task over it. HMG had no good reason whatsoever to try and prorogue for that long. It is immaterial what parliament did or didn't achieve in the time - the issue was that an attempt was made to unfairly stifle it.

People in the UK should be happy that their system of checks and balances is still running OK.

Sorry but it was a waste of time. A pointless gesture by some ghastly woman, and her cronies, who think they are more important than parliament. The courts are not there to play politics. If that were the case then we might as well not bother with an elected government.

The High Court refused to interfere and it was only the Supreme Court--a fairly recent body and a brainchild of Blair and full of mostly Labour appointees---that over-ruled this prorogation that has been the remit of the prime ministers for centuries. "

The SC has every right to step in if the government is thought to be acting unlawfully. It would be a rather dangerous development for an executive to be able to act unlawfully and have no mechanism in place to stop them or even challenge them, only the naive hope that they'll always act in good faith. It is the parliament of the UK that is sovereign and any attempt to unjustly stymie it should be treated as a matter of grave constitutional concern.

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"Doesn't alter the fact he is an inveterate liar. When does he go in the ditch?.

Sadly that is yet another promise he won't keep. His backers have very short memories - the poor woman with an extended sentence due to his blather, do or die. no ifs or buts .... Many people are ready to forgive him because he is a right-wing Tory. They are very adept at blaming others and whitewashing their favourite clown. Inveterate liar is absolutely correct - he won't change because there is no reason for him to change as he will never be held accountable. I fear we may be in for more government by rich-kid tantrum."

And I suppose your precious Mr Corbyn never tells lies. Telling lies or distorting the truth seems to go with the territory of being a top politician. No doubt we will hear plenty of them over the next 5 or 6 weeks. I'm no great fan of Boris but he is still the best of a very bad bunch. It is almost a re-run of the 2016 USA presidential election. The only difference if they had two totally unpalatable candidates. We have three.

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"Doesn't alter the fact he is an inveterate liar. When does he go in the ditch?.

Sadly that is yet another promise he won't keep. His backers have very short memories - the poor woman with an extended sentence due to his blather, do or die. no ifs or buts .... Many people are ready to forgive him because he is a right-wing Tory. They are very adept at blaming others and whitewashing their favourite clown. Inveterate liar is absolutely correct - he won't change because there is no reason for him to change as he will never be held accountable. I fear we may be in for more government by rich-kid tantrum.

And I suppose your precious Mr Corbyn never tells lies. Telling lies or distorting the truth seems to go with the territory of being a top politician. No doubt we will hear plenty of them over the next 5 or 6 weeks. I'm no great fan of Boris but he is still the best of a very bad bunch. It is almost a re-run of the 2016 USA presidential election. The only difference if they had two totally unpalatable candidates. We have three."

I think he is the worst of a bad bunch and more dangerous because there are more people ready to forgive his every bumble and stumble and he knows that he can count on blind support despite his lies and attempts to bypass the law.

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How many people on here have told lies themselves to either get a job or to improve their circumstances.?

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I think he is the worst of a bad bunch and more dangerous because there are more people ready to forgive his every bumble and stumble and he knows that he can count on blind support despite his lies and attempts to bypass the law."

This isn't necessarily about the individual. We do not live in a prime ministerial dictatorship. Despite your attempts to brand Boris as a right-wing extremist, he was recently described by a university professor of politics as being on the moderate, progressive wing of his party. And before you splutter into your flute of vintage champagne this professor was also quite scathing about him.

There is no getting away from the fact that your Mr Corbyn, and his buddies, are on the extreme left of the Labour party. As far as lies go Corbyn virtually admitted he lied during the last election about tuition fees amongst other things. He has also tried to play down or deny his past support for terrorist groups. And as for his views on the EU he seems to have changed his mind over the years more often than he changes his socks.

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"How many people on here have told lies themselves to either get a job or to improve their circumstances.?"

There is a big difference - we are not the PM. I don't believe we should expect our PM to lie or accept it when he/she does. There is a strange double standard - Blair is still criticised for his lies (rightly so in my view) but people are spinning Bozo's propensity for lying as making him 'one of us'. It seems to me that people who defend his lies would naturally teach children that it is OK to lie if it advances your prospects or gets you off the hook. That is not an idea I would ever have backed as a teacher.

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I think he is the worst of a bad bunch and more dangerous because there are more people ready to forgive his every bumble and stumble and he knows that he can count on blind support despite his lies and attempts to bypass the law.

This isn't necessarily about the individual. We do not live in a prime ministerial dictatorship. Despite your attempts to brand Boris as a right-wing extremist, he was recently described by a university professor of politics as being on the moderate, progressive wing of his party. And before you splutter into your flute of vintage champagne this professor was also quite scathing about him.

There is no getting away from the fact that your Mr Corbyn, and his buddies, are on the extreme left of the Labour party. As far as lies go Corbyn virtually admitted he lied during the last election about tuition fees amongst other things. He has also tried to play down or deny his past support for terrorist groups. And as for his views on the EU he seems to have changed his mind over the years more often than he changes his socks."

Once again you make some enormous erroneous assumptions. Corbyn is not, and has never been, 'my' Mr Corbyn. I am not a champagne socialist - that is such a naive 70s concept, as outdated at yuppies. You also assume I have defended Corbyn's lies as justification for your own defence of Bozo's habitual lies - you are simply wrong there as I have never done so. As for someone changing their mind, that is perfectly permissible and an adult thing to do when circumstances change. It is not the same as lying.

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I see once again you wont say a thing against Corbyn whether he is 'yours' or not. I am quite happy to make constructive criticism of Boris Zohnson when necessary. However protest as much as you like it seems that you do hold that anti-British, terrorist loving old fool in very high esteem.

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They are both easy men to criticise.

Johnson is mini-Trump and getting more like him by the day. Both despicable characters.

Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser with more in common with the IRA than the Labour Party. Another despicable character.

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"I see once again you wont say a thing against Corbyn whether he is 'yours' or not. I am quite happy to make constructive criticism of Boris Zohnson when necessary. However protest as much as you like it seems that you do hold that anti-British, terrorist loving old fool in very high esteem."

Another illogical mistaken assumption. A dislike of Bozo and all he stands for does not equate to holding Corbyn in high esteem. The most positive thing I have ever said about Corbyn is that I would choose him rather than Bozo if there was only a binary choice, which there isn't. It is highly illogical to interpret that as holding him in high esteem.

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"I see once again you wont say a thing against Corbyn whether he is 'yours' or not. I am quite happy to make constructive criticism of Boris Zohnson when necessary. However protest as much as you like it seems that you do hold that anti-British, terrorist loving old fool in very high esteem.

Another illogical mistaken assumption. A dislike of Bozo and all he stands for does not equate to holding Corbyn in high esteem. The most positive thing I have ever said about Corbyn is that I would choose him rather than Bozo if there was only a binary choice, which there isn't. It is highly illogical to interpret that as holding him in high esteem."

But you will still never say a thing against him despite claiming not to support him. Yet you criticise Zohnson on every detail however petty or irrelevant.

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Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser with more in common with the IRA than the Labour Party. Another despicable character. "

Yes, yes - Jeremy O'Corbyn. Born on the Falls Road , and served as an alter boy at his local church. Started writing articles in An Phoblacht back in the mid 70s. Was seen looking shifty near the Grand Hotel, Brighton in 1984. When Mountbatten was blown up, O'Corbyn was quoted as saying, "Well, he shouldn't have been on that boat anyway."

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"They are both easy men to criticise.

Johnson is mini-Trump and getting more like him by the day. Both despicable characters.

Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser with more in common with the IRA than the Labour Party. Another despicable character. "

I'm not going to disagree with you. I despair that our main parties have landed themselves with such appalling leaders. I even include Jo Swinson in this as I am totally unimpressed with her bombastic style and what she has to say. Unfortunately there isn't a lot we can do about it. Basically look at the parties and policies beyond their leaders and also look at the individual candidates in our own constituencies.

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"I see once again you wont say a thing against Corbyn whether he is 'yours' or not. I am quite happy to make constructive criticism of Boris Zohnson when necessary. However protest as much as you like it seems that you do hold that anti-British, terrorist loving old fool in very high esteem.

Another illogical mistaken assumption. A dislike of Bozo and all he stands for does not equate to holding Corbyn in high esteem. The most positive thing I have ever said about Corbyn is that I would choose him rather than Bozo if there was only a binary choice, which there isn't. It is highly illogical to interpret that as holding him in high esteem.

But you will still never say a thing against him despite claiming not to support him. Yet you criticise Zohnson on every detail however petty or irrelevant."

I am not obliged to join in the general Corbyn bashing no matter how much you might enjoy that. If he is PM and turns out to be anywhere near as bad as Bozo I will not hold back on my criticism. In the meantime, I will continue to criticise the appalling incumbent and his team until they do something worthy of praise.

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That awful woman "Gina Miller" started all of this terrible nightmare. Yes yes i know you will all say cameron and farage are to blame , but take a moment to look back at G. Miller's first court appearance. Givivng mp's a "meaningful vote" it became a total mess and a free for all in parliament after that. Simply put mrs miller's messing with the constitution has brought us all this pain anguish and anti government hostility. One would hope she would leave our shores and mess with another governments constitution. Happy christmas at the polls to all

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Even if this were true, lighting a fuse does not create an explosion, it just initiates it. Clearly, the powder was there to be ignited.

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It isn't just the fact that bojo is a liar, it is the number of times he has repeatedly lied, sacked from the Times, sacked from the Telegraph, sacked by Michael Howard for repeatedly lying about his affair with Petronella Wyatt, he dragged her name through the mud until he was finally cornered and had to admit it. Not just political lies but blatant lies to save his own skin.

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"It isn't just the fact that bojo is a liar, it is the number of times he has repeatedly lied, sacked from the Times, sacked from the Telegraph, sacked by Michael Howard for repeatedly lying about his affair with Petronella Wyatt, he dragged her name through the mud until he was finally cornered and had to admit it. Not just political lies but blatant lies to save his own skin."

As a role model for the next generation he’s failed too.

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By *asypeasy7672   profile verified by photo (M) 23 weeks ago

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Corbyn is worth a hundred Bozo's. Looking forward to him and Bernie leading the Socialist western world in 2020.

Solidarity comrades.

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"I suspect the majority of moderate people weather they voted leave or remain would have accepted a moderate soft leave deal, it is the extremists' on both sides who have put us in the present position

That is the problem with our politics, lurching from one grand vision across to a a political Revolution and back again endlessly. each side on doing the work of the other and then setting about fuckng over the lot of us, before they are removed and it all starts again.

When I lived abroad I was amazed how much of our politics was shown on the news, it's because they cannot believe we allow this to go on, "why don't you insist on governments that do their best for everyone?" I was asked more than once. It's a good question. People moaned about the coalition, but during that period we had no grand vision, no great scheme, nothing but keeping things running and not letting anything get out of hand. The politicians hated it, the media, so much so that between them they convinced everyone we hate it, when in reality for once in our lives politics had become anodyne, safe, predictable and they were required to do the job we wanted them to do and not implement some insane scheme that messes everything up for another generation.

I suggest the best way forward is endless coalition, we can't have any big ideas of the right, the revolutionary ideas of the left are cut off at the knees, and all we'd get from Parliament is moderation. That would drive politicians insane, the media would have a kitten fit, and between them we would be lambasted for our temerity in demanding that they govern instead of ruling as they prefer.

But I've been described in the past as an extreme moderate, that if I was any more on the fence I'd have been nailed there."

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"Even if this were true, lighting a fuse does not create an explosion, it just initiates it. Clearly, the powder was there to be ignited."

Perhaps it was but that is never how history sees it. Everyone will tell you that the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and Archduchess Sophie sparked off WWI but the tension between various nations had been simmering under the surface for some time.

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"Corbyn is worth a hundred Bozo's. Looking forward to him and Bernie leading the Socialist western world in 2020.

Solidarity comrades. "

ha ha ha good one

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"Great news, the turkeys are voting for xmas!!

Labour will lose at least 100 seats and the Lib dems will do well to keep their current 13 mps !!

The SNP are a total non entity ,at last the country will have a democratic majority government to enact the wishes of the people .

The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!"

Your big day is here. Happy Halloween

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"Great news, the turkeys are voting for xmas!!

Labour will lose at least 100 seats and the Lib dems will do well to keep their current 13 mps !!

The SNP are a total non entity ,at last the country will have a democratic majority government to enact the wishes of the people .

The people will crucify those thats done every trick in the book to ignore 17.4 million people!!

Your big day is here. Happy Halloween "

Yes. Out at last and I hardly noticed the difference.

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"That awful woman "Gina Miller" started all of this terrible nightmare. Yes yes i know you will all say cameron and farage are to blame , but take a moment to look back at G. Miller's first court appearance. Givivng mp's a "meaningful vote" it became a total mess and a free for all in parliament after that. Simply put mrs miller's messing with the constitution has brought us all this pain anguish and anti government hostility. One would hope she would leave our shores and mess with another governments constitution. Happy christmas at the polls to all"

It always amazes me how her and her buddies manage to get a court hearing to challenge something the very next day after something is announced. For a normal person in the street it takes months to get anything to court. The whole thing stinks and it is clearly the elite looking after each other and their interests to prevent Brexit. Democracy is obviously for the few not the many.

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"Even if this were true, lighting a fuse does not create an explosion, it just initiates it. Clearly, the powder was there to be ignited.

Perhaps it was but that is never how history sees it. Everyone will tell you that the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and Archduchess Sophie sparked off WWI but the tension between various nations had been simmering under the surface for some time."

the original Crusades kicked off (allegedly) because Pope Urban III was incensed by the report of someone being tied to a tree and disemboweled

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"Quite a few tory supporters I know wont vote tory this time because of bojo, his lies are going to catch up with him, people remember his sacking for telling lies about Colin Lucas and that is a while back, he is a liar and a dangerous one at that. He simply cant be trusted."

Well I know quite a few Labour voters who won’t vote for Corbyn because he is a virtue-signalling Marxist cowardly fraud who has ruined the Labour Party. So I guess they cancel each other out.

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"Quite a few tory supporters I know wont vote tory this time because of bojo, his lies are going to catch up with him, people remember his sacking for telling lies about Colin Lucas and that is a while back, he is a liar and a dangerous one at that. He simply cant be trusted.

Well I know quite a few Labour voters who won’t vote for Corbyn because he is a virtue-signalling Marxist cowardly fraud who has ruined the Labour Party. So I guess they cancel each other out."

Lots of people say lots of things. We will know on 13 December.

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"Quite a few tory supporters I know wont vote tory this time because of bojo, his lies are going to catch up with him, people remember his sacking for telling lies about Colin Lucas and that is a while back, he is a liar and a dangerous one at that. He simply cant be trusted.

Well I know quite a few Labour voters who won’t vote for Corbyn because he is a virtue-signalling Marxist cowardly fraud who has ruined the Labour Party. So I guess they cancel each other out."

You have to have a virtue to signal it.

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Just watched a very funny video on YouTube. Some rather earnest looking, but totally deluded, guy explaining why he thinks the Brexit Party will win the general election. His theory is that 17.4 million voters will--or should---vote for this one-trick-pony party. More voters than have ever voted for any party in the UK ever. Think he might be just a little disappointed on Dec 13th when he finds his precious party have gained somewhere between 0 and 1 seat

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If the Brexit Party really want Brexit it is simple. Withdraw their candidate wherever there is a constituency where the Conservative MP is actually for Brexit. Then wherever there is a constituency where the ruling MP is against Brexit throw everything at them and push for their own MP. Then the Tories will get a majority and Brexit will happen, and it will be bye bye comrade dickhead.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 23 weeks ago

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I see Corbyn has just launched his radical plans for the FEW and NOT the MANY

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"I see Corbyn has just launched his radical plans for the FEW and NOT the MANY"

I think you may have been having an attack of some sort - it is the Tories who have policies that favour the few and not the many. Always have and always will - Bozo is hardly a man of the people

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"I see Corbyn has just launched his radical plans for the FEW and NOT the MANY"

Sadly most Labour leaders have gone into elections saying they would bash the elite and make the super-rich pay their way but the reality has always been that the middle class have paid the most with the poor contributing next most and the rich and elite virtually nothing.

This has held good for every government since the war with one exception, Cameron's government. Ironically he has soaked the rich more than any other PM.

If I could believe Labour would actually be able to make the elite and rich pay their dues I would support that wholeheartedly. The facts make that very difficult to believe.

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"I see Corbyn has just launched his radical plans for the FEW and NOT the MANY

I think you may have been having an attack of some sort - it is the Tories who have policies that favour the few and not the many. Always have and always will - Bozo is hardly a man of the people "

Oh dear. I think I might have offended our resident arch-Corbynite yet again

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I think our resident Tory spin doctor has jumped to an illogical conclusion yet again How does describing the standard Tory policy make anyone an arch-anything?

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both Johnson and Corbyn are scripted and marketed by professionals - they are imbeciles or liars and interchangeable.

Vote Lib Dem

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"both Johnson and Corbyn are scripted and marketed by professionals - they are imbeciles or liars and interchangeable.

Vote Lib Dem"

You echo my thoughts. Corbyn and Johnson are political zealots who care about nothing and no-one except the few extremists surrounding them. Everyone else in the country can go to hell.

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"both Johnson and Corbyn are scripted and marketed by professionals - they are imbeciles or liars and interchangeable.

Vote Lib Dem"

I daresay you are right. And whilst I fully understand your decision to vote LibDem I should point out that their unfortunate choice of leader is also scripted.

Plus whilst we are at it probably the most scripted party leader has to be Farage despite his hollow boast to be a man of the people.

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"both Johnson and Corbyn are scripted and marketed by professionals - they are imbeciles or liars and interchangeable.

Vote Lib Dem"

I may well vote Lib Dem due to their commitment to revoke Article 50.

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"both Johnson and Corbyn are scripted and marketed by professionals - they are imbeciles or liars and interchangeable.

Vote Lib Dem

I may well vote Lib Dem due to their commitment to revoke Article 50."

labour have promised to get brexit done within 6 months. So tories and labour won’t get the 48%’s votes, will they?

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I will vote LibDem but nothing to do with Brexit. I couldn’t with a clear conscience vote for Johnson who I think will leave the poor and vulnerable even further behind and I couldn’t vote for Corbyn who will decimate the whole country and leave everyone except the far left behind.

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"I may well vote Lib Dem due to their commitment to revoke Article 50."

That's my view too! I'm not that keen on their leader but I prefer her to Corbyn or Johnson!

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"both Johnson and Corbyn are scripted and marketed by professionals - they are imbeciles or liars and interchangeable.

Vote Lib Dem

I may well vote Lib Dem due to their commitment to revoke Article 50.

labour have promised to get brexit done within 6 months. So tories and labour won’t get the 48%’s votes, will they?"

Not so long ago Labour were aiming for a 2nd referendum. So is that going to happen and then we leave with or without a deal, irrespective of how the electorate votes, all before next June?

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As far as I understand it, there would be the option between their deal and remain - makes perfect sense to me. If Bozo has such faith in his 'excellent' deal, I think he would also allow it to be scrutinised and put to the public. But I think his choice would be 'my deal or no deal'. He is not a great one for having his actions scrutinised, he is too dictatorial for that.

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I don't have your inside knowledge of the machinations of the Labour Party and I really haven't got time to listen to Corbyn spouting platitudes with his ultra monotonous voice. Does all sound a bit of a fudge and glossing over a serious matter simply because they have not got a clue.

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"I will vote LibDem but nothing to do with Brexit. I couldn’t with a clear conscience vote for Johnson who I think will leave the poor and vulnerable even further behind and I couldn’t vote for Corbyn who will decimate the whole country and leave everyone except the far left behind. "

I cannot fault your logic or sentiments

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"I don't have your inside knowledge of the machinations of the Labour Party and I really haven't got time to listen to Corbyn spouting platitudes with his ultra monotonous voice. Does all sound a bit of a fudge and glossing over a serious matter simply because they have not got a clue."

No inside knowledge required. It is quite easy for anyone who has a real interest in politics to understand the major policies of all the main parties. Only those who are blinkered and would never change their minds no matter what the policies are would only pay attention to a single party. Despite my complete lack of respect or support for the bombastic bulging Bozo, I do at least try to follow his convoluted bumbling to ascertain what his policies are. Only then can I receive confirmation that I disagree with his party's policies. However, based on his past performance, it is difficult to know how much of it is just lies.

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"both Johnson and Corbyn are scripted and marketed by professionals - they are imbeciles or liars and interchangeable.

Vote Lib Dem

I daresay you are right. And whilst I fully understand your decision to vote LibDem I should point out that their unfortunate choice of leader is also scripted.

Plus whilst we are at it probably the most scripted party leader has to be Farage despite his hollow boast to be a man of the people."

I'm inclined to vote Lib Dem myself for the first time ever. But one consolation their leader is likely to lose her seat when the SNP take the whole of Scotland

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"I will vote LibDem but nothing to do with Brexit. I couldn’t with a clear conscience vote for Johnson who I think will leave the poor and vulnerable even further behind and I couldn’t vote for Corbyn who will decimate the whole country and leave everyone except the far left behind. "

This is simply rubbish. Talk about project fear! Assume for a moment that Labour forms the next government. Corbyn's majority will depend on the Laour MPs behind him. Any policies he puts forward will have to get their support. Not a lot of radical leftists there, are there?

On the Tory side however, Blow Job and his shadowy backers have castrated the old centrist party and moved it to the right quite violently. Disadvantageous trade deals with the USA and the destruction of our Welfare State in the interests of his cronies and US big business is likely to follow. So decimation and radical policies are more likely with Blow Job than Corbyn. The Lib Dems are irrelevant, frankly. The SNP will achieve independence and Northern Ireland will unify with the South, very sensibly, to keep in the EU which hs done more for them than HMG.

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"I will vote LibDem but nothing to do with Brexit. I couldn’t with a clear conscience vote for Johnson who I think will leave the poor and vulnerable even further behind and I couldn’t vote for Corbyn who will decimate the whole country and leave everyone except the far left behind.

This is simply rubbish. Talk about project fear! Assume for a moment that Labour forms the next government. Corbyn's majority will depend on the Laour MPs behind him. Any policies he puts forward will have to get their support. Not a lot of radical leftists there, are there?

On the Tory side however, Blow Job and his shadowy backers have castrated the old centrist party and moved it to the right quite violently. Disadvantageous trade deals with the USA and the destruction of our Welfare State in the interests of his cronies and US big business is likely to follow. So decimation and radical policies are more likely with Blow Job than Corbyn. The Lib Dems are irrelevant, frankly. The SNP will achieve independence and Northern Ireland will unify with the South, very sensibly, to keep in the EU which hs done more for them than HMG."

it was making a certain amount of sense until you projected Irish Unification, then it became a fantasy.

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"I will vote LibDem but nothing to do with Brexit. I couldn’t with a clear conscience vote for Johnson who I think will leave the poor and vulnerable even further behind and I couldn’t vote for Corbyn who will decimate the whole country and leave everyone except the far left behind.

This is simply rubbish. Talk about project fear! Assume for a moment that Labour forms the next government. Corbyn's majority will depend on the Laour MPs behind him. Any policies he puts forward will have to get their support. Not a lot of radical leftists there, are there?

On the Tory side however, Blow Job and his shadowy backers have castrated the old centrist party and moved it to the right quite violently. Disadvantageous trade deals with the USA and the destruction of our Welfare State in the interests of his cronies and US big business is likely to follow. So decimation and radical policies are more likely with Blow Job than Corbyn. The Lib Dems are irrelevant, frankly. The SNP will achieve independence and Northern Ireland will unify with the South, very sensibly, to keep in the EU which hs done more for them than HMG.

it was making a certain amount of sense until you projected Irish Unification, then it became a fantasy."

I think most of it was fantasy. Conservative MPs are far less likely to blindly suppose their leader than Labour. True there are a few mavericks in both parties but as we have seen this year the more right wing MPs stabbed Mr May in the back and the moderate 'left leaning ones did the same to Boris. I would not write the LibDems off as an irrelevance at all. I may not be impressed with their 'full-of-herself' leader but they could end up holding the balance of power. The SNP may eventually get their wish especially if there is a 'hung parliament' but I don't see the re-unification of Ireland happening. At least half of the North would be very opposed to it and the ROI would be that keen in reality.

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"I will vote LibDem but nothing to do with Brexit. I couldn’t with a clear conscience vote for Johnson who I think will leave the poor and vulnerable even further behind and I couldn’t vote for Corbyn who will decimate the whole country and leave everyone except the far left behind.

This is simply rubbish. Talk about project fear! Assume for a moment that Labour forms the next government. Corbyn's majority will depend on the Laour MPs behind him. Any policies he puts forward will have to get their support. Not a lot of radical leftists there, are there?

On the Tory side however, Blow Job and his shadowy backers have castrated the old centrist party and moved it to the right quite violently. Disadvantageous trade deals with the USA and the destruction of our Welfare State in the interests of his cronies and US big business is likely to follow. So decimation and radical policies are more likely with Blow Job than Corbyn. The Lib Dems are irrelevant, frankly. The SNP will achieve independence and Northern Ireland will unify with the South, very sensibly, to keep in the EU which hs done more for them than HMG.

it was making a certain amount of sense until you projected Irish Unification, then it became a fantasy.

I think most of it was fantasy. Conservative MPs are far less likely to blindly suppose their leader than Labour. True there are a few mavericks in both parties but as we have seen this year the more right wing MPs stabbed Mr May in the back and the moderate 'left leaning ones did the same to Boris. I would not write the LibDems off as an irrelevance at all. I may not be impressed with their 'full-of-herself' leader but they could end up holding the balance of power. The SNP may eventually get their wish especially if there is a 'hung parliament' but I don't see the re-unification of Ireland happening. At least half of the North would be very opposed to it and the ROI would be that keen in reality."

In the event of a hung Parliament they will have some relevance, but they were badly hurt by their collaboration with the Tories, so wont join any coalition. As for NI, my assumption is that a deregulated Britain will offer little to NI as the Customs border will stay in place somewhere. Trade interests will force the DUP to negotiate with Eire.

I hadnt noticed those Labour MPs blindly following Corbyn so far, lol. And BJ has kicked out his doubters.

My impression is the SNP in Scotland would love a Blow Job government, he is loathed so much there.

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I know it’s your choice but do you have to keep referring to Blow Job. It might be a great compliment to Boris but I find it very infantile and irritating.

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"I will vote LibDem but nothing to do with Brexit. I couldn’t with a clear conscience vote for Johnson who I think will leave the poor and vulnerable even further behind and I couldn’t vote for Corbyn who will decimate the whole country and leave everyone except the far left behind.

This is simply rubbish. Talk about project fear! Assume for a moment that Labour forms the next government. Corbyn's majority will depend on the Laour MPs behind him. Any policies he puts forward will have to get their support. Not a lot of radical leftists there, are there?

On the Tory side however, Blow Job and his shadowy backers have castrated the old centrist party and moved it to the right quite violently. Disadvantageous trade deals with the USA and the destruction of our Welfare State in the interests of his cronies and US big business is likely to follow. So decimation and radical policies are more likely with Blow Job than Corbyn. The Lib Dems are irrelevant, frankly. The SNP will achieve independence and Northern Ireland will unify with the South, very sensibly, to keep in the EU which hs done more for them than HMG."

Are you serious? Corbyn and the brownshirts at Momentum have hounded out and bullied and tried to deselect nearly every decent centre left MP they ever had. Now their shadow cabinet is full of swivel eyed lefty loons and Marxists. They are itching to get into power so they can inflict their ancient outdated socialist crap on the country and plunge us back into the dark ages. It’s about time the welfare state was dismantled anyway. There are too many scroungers and wastes of space dragging this country down. Cut their handouts to nothing and then just maybe they will get off their lazy arses and go to work like the rest of us have to.

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I'm sure you rant has made you feel better but I very much doubt it will persuade anyone to come over to your side

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Are you serious? Corbyn and the brownshirts at Momentum have hounded out and bullied and tried to deselect nearly every decent centre left MP they ever had. Now their shadow cabinet is full of swivel eyed lefty loons and Marxists. They are itching to get into power so they can inflict their ancient outdated socialist crap on the country and plunge us back into the dark ages. It’s about time the welfare state was dismantled anyway. There are too many scroungers and wastes of space dragging this country down. Cut their handouts to nothing and then just maybe they will get off their lazy arses and go to work like the rest of us have to."

You are totally correct about Momentum trying to deselect moderate Labour MPs if they don't tow the line. I think this is why there has not been any further challenged to Corbyn or dissent amongst the ranks, apart from a few mavericks who have resigned the party whip or chosen to retire.

I don't however agree with you about dismantling the welfare state. I certainly needs a dramatic overhaul and reform but it must be left largely intact.

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"I'm sure you rant has made you feel better but I very much doubt it will persuade anyone to come over to your side "

Quite frankly I would never want to be on the same side as any Corbyn-loving sheep. They are far too dull and dreary, like their glorious leader.

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"I'm sure you rant has made you feel better but I very much doubt it will persuade anyone to come over to your side

Quite frankly I would never want to be on the same side as any Corbyn-loving sheep. They are far too dull and dreary, like their glorious leader."

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"I'm sure you rant has made you feel better but I very much doubt it will persuade anyone to come over to your side "

I take that back. You appear to have persuaded at least one other user to join you in supporting Faragist ideas.

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"I'm sure you rant has made you feel better but I very much doubt it will persuade anyone to come over to your side

I take that back. You appear to have persuaded at least one other user to join you in supporting Faragist ideas. "

That comment is either laughable or totally naïve. Still it is what we have come to expect from a Corbyn apologist

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"I know it’s your choice but do you have to keep referring to Blow Job. It might be a great compliment to Boris but I find it very infantile and irritating. "

I have explained elsewhere why i use the term. It is the cheap rhetoric and contempt for the electorate of this political and journalistic whore. If you prefer we could call him Piffle for short, but that is too kind.

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And bj holds bj apologists in contempt the most.

He cant believe they still believe him.

Well what can you expect from daily mail readers. Der.

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"I know it’s your choice but do you have to keep referring to Blow Job. It might be a great compliment to Boris but I find it very infantile and irritating.

I have explained elsewhere why i use the term. It is the cheap rhetoric and contempt for the electorate of this political and journalistic whore. If you prefer we could call him Piffle for short, but that is too kind. "

Piffle? Why? As an adult I tend to use people's names whether I like them or not. There are many politicians i don;t like.

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"I know it’s your choice but do you have to keep referring to Blow Job. It might be a great compliment to Boris but I find it very infantile and irritating.

I have explained elsewhere why i use the term. It is the cheap rhetoric and contempt for the electorate of this political and journalistic whore. If you prefer we could call him Piffle for short, but that is too kind.

Piffle? Why? As an adult I tend to use people's names whether I like them or not. There are many politicians i don;t like."

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Hence Piffle And you may notice that one of his favourite disparagements of his opponents' views is "Piffle". Boris of course is not his family name, it is his preferred nom de mensonge.

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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Hence Piffle And you may notice that one of his favourite disparagements of his opponents' views is "Piffle". Boris of course is not his family name, it is his preferred nom de mensonge. "

Boris is his middle name by which he has always been known so hardly a nom de mensonge. A lot of people use their middle names or even a nickname and it is quite acceptable The late Paddy Ashdown wasn't Paddy, or even Patrick at all. Two previous primes ministers were JAMES Harold Wilson and LEONARD James Callaghan.

So you really need to do better in your attempts to discredit this man you clearly hate.

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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Hence Piffle And you may notice that one of his favourite disparagements of his opponents' views is "Piffle". Boris of course is not his family name, it is his preferred nom de mensonge.

Boris is his middle name by which he has always been known so hardly a nom de mensonge. A lot of people use their middle names or even a nickname and it is quite acceptable The late Paddy Ashdown wasn't Paddy, or even Patrick at all. Two previous primes ministers were JAMES Harold Wilson and LEONARD James Callaghan.

So you really need to do better in your attempts to discredit this man you clearly hate."

Nobody needs to try to discredit Bozo - he does that himself every time he opens his mouth and out pops some bumbling or lies

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Nobody needs to try to discredit Bozo - he does that himself every time he opens his mouth and out pops some bumbling or lies "

Bit like you friend Coco the Clown then

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Possibly, if I knew who you were referring to. I have no friends in politics.

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Na na nana na!

Blow job, piffle, bozo, coco ..........

Na na nana na ... I hope I’m not being too childish.

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I actually agree it's rather childish but sometimes you have to stoop to their level just to get your message across.

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"Possibly, if I knew who you were referring to. I have no friends in politics."

Now you are being obtuse. Coco == Co[mrade] Co[rbyn] but I'm sure you knew that. Much the same as you insist on shortening Boris Zohnson's name to the first 2 letters of each.

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Now I get it, sort of. Bozo is because your esteemed party leader is much like Bozo the clown (and is also a word used to mean 'fool').

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Speaking of clowns that is one of the reasons why I refer to your esteemed leader as Coco

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are we all invited to the wedding?

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"Speaking of clowns that is one of the reasons why I refer to your esteemed leader as Coco"

Nothing to do with me. The leader of the party I will vote for is a woman. I already know you won't like her either - she's not a Tory.

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"Speaking of clowns that is one of the reasons why I refer to your esteemed leader as Coco

Nothing to do with me. The leader of the party I will vote for is a woman. I already know you won't like her either - she's not a Tory."

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Ms Swinson not being a Conservative. I just don't like her brash, full-of-herself manner. I think the LibDems made a big mistake choosing her to lead their party. Not that any of the other parties have done any better with their choice of leaders either.

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The Tories certainly haven't. Just seen him interviewed on BBC News - not a single straight answer and not an ounce of accountability ... it's all 'their' fault.

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"The Tories certainly haven't. Just seen him interviewed on BBC News - not a single straight answer and not an ounce of accountability ... it's all 'their' fault."

So you do endorse Corbyn with all his lies and fantasy promises? Thought as much

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I’m impressed with Mr Johnson- he’s obviously a man of integrity and can be trusted 100%. Mr Corbyn is a man of great vision, well rounded and a credit to his party.

The leader of the LibDems has shown herself to be a true leader, and Mr Farage is a free-thinking conformist. All hail the Brexit Party, whatever their excellent manifesto says.

I may be a while replying to any comments, the nurse is coming round with my medication.

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"The Tories certainly haven't. Just seen him interviewed on BBC News - not a single straight answer and not an ounce of accountability ... it's all 'their' fault.

So you do endorse Corbyn with all his lies and fantasy promises? Thought as much "

Pure deflection and illogical assumptions yet again. It has nothing to do with Corbyn. Why should I defend Corbyn when I know I will be voting Lib Dem?

I was referring to a specific interview that I saw this evening. I didn't see a Corbyn interview. You are an avowed Tory, so try defending your leader and his policies if you wish rather than just deflecting. You know you can't tell us he is not a liar, as even the party faithful know that would be yet another lie. If you only defence of your leader is that he is not as bad as Corbyn in your view, maybe you should also consider voting Lib Dem.

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"I’m impressed with Mr Johnson- he’s obviously a man of integrity and can be trusted 100%. Mr Corbyn is a man of great vision, well rounded and a credit to his party.

The leader of the LibDems has shown herself to be a true leader, and Mr Farage is a free-thinking conformist. All hail the Brexit Party, whatever their excellent manifesto says.

I may be a while replying to any comments, the nurse is coming round with my medication."

OMG. You have seen the light

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"The Tories certainly haven't. Just seen him interviewed on BBC News - not a single straight answer and not an ounce of accountability ... it's all 'their' fault.

So you do endorse Corbyn with all his lies and fantasy promises? Thought as much

Pure deflection and illogical assumptions yet again. It has nothing to do with Corbyn. Why should I defend Corbyn when I know I will be voting Lib Dem?

I was referring to a specific interview that I saw this evening. I didn't see a Corbyn interview. You are an avowed Tory, so try defending your leader and his policies if you wish rather than just deflecting. You know you can't tell us he is not a liar, as even the party faithful know that would be yet another lie. If you only defence of your leader is that he is not as bad as Corbyn in your view, maybe you should also consider voting Lib Dem."

Although you take great pleasure in contradicting everything I say, a lot of your arguments don't hold water because you refuse to comment on Corbyn.

I vote Conservative more by default than anything else. We are fortunate in having a first rate Conservative MP and his main rival is a weird, scatty McDonnell acolyte [I saw her gazing adoringly at him whilst he gave one of his foul-mouthed diatribes to what he thought was a group of party faithful]

I have said it before I have nothing against the LibDems apart from their stance on Europe and their unfortunate choice of leader. In this constituency they tend to come a distant 4th or 5th behind Plaid Cymru and UKIP

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Well, well, well, it looks as though the best the BXP will do is to spoil the Conservafive vote. Judging by current polling, there is certainly no majority appetite for a no-deal. Farage is shitting himself that he's going to sidelined.

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"Well, well, well, it looks as though the best the BXP will do is to spoil the Conservafive vote. Judging by current polling, there is certainly no majority appetite for a no-deal. Farage is shitting himself that he's going to sidelined. "

Farage is a chancer/vulture - he’s a failed businessman just like Mr Dopey in America and he’s capitalising on the xenophobia of the extreme (disenchanted) right wingers.

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Even the extreme remainers will find some consolation in Farage losing his seat in the Euro Parliament when we leave. Still I understand that UKIP are looking for yet another leader so he could offer his services there.

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"Even the extreme remainers will find some consolation in Farage losing his seat in the Euro Parliament when we leave. Still I understand that UKIP are looking for yet another leader so he could offer his services there."

Forget the ‘extreme’, I think Farage not embarrassing the UK any more is the only good thing about leaving the EU

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"Even the extreme remainers will find some consolation in Farage losing his seat in the Euro Parliament when we leave. Still I understand that UKIP are looking for yet another leader so he could offer his services there."

From Dick Brain to dickhead.

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This is not an election where we are blessed with perfect choices, and a multitude of them.

I normally trust the Tories with the economy based on past record as without a strong economy we cannot lift up the poor and give dignity to the needy. I don't trust Mr Johnson to be fair with the proceeds of a strong economy.

I like a few of the labour policies but I think Mr Corbyn iwould be incompetent as a PM and the worst off in our society would pay the heaviest price again, as they have done with every labour government since the war.

I detest Farage and his politics based on privilege and hate.

I don't like Ms Swinson but I'm prepared to swallow that in the hope either she pulls off a miracle and gets a remain alliance in power, or she tempers the worst of the other parties in a coalition which the country would demand if there was a hung parliament.

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"This is not an election where we are blessed with perfect choices, and a multitude of them.

I normally trust the Tories with the economy based on past record as without a strong economy we cannot lift up the poor and give dignity to the needy. I don't trust Mr Johnson to be fair with the proceeds of a strong economy.

I like a few of the labour policies but I think Mr Corbyn iwould be incompetent as a PM and the worst off in our society would pay the heaviest price again, as they have done with every labour government since the war.

I detest Farage and his politics based on privilege and hate.

I don't like Ms Swinson but I'm prepared to swallow that in the hope either she pulls off a miracle and gets a remain alliance in power, or she tempers the worst of the other parties in a coalition which the country would demand if there was a hung parliament."

100% spot on. I couldn't agree more.

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With you on that, my family says he will leave the country if McDonnell becomes chancellor.

Both main parties need to be brought under control. So perhaps the liberals can fulfill that role.

There is a view that the SNP will form an alliance with labour in return for a independance referendum

What a state the country is in as we currently have the tories for the greedy rich and the labour party for the lazy poor and Farage for himself.

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One thing many appear to have in common. Supporters of breaking up the EU .. Britain, America, Russia ........

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"One thing many appear to have in common. Supporters of breaking up the EU .. Britain, America, Russia ........ "

Wow, who'd have thought that two world powers like America and Russia would be in favour of one less rival on the world stage? Here was us thinking that it's because they're altruistic lovers of sovereignty.

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"One thing many appear to have in common. Supporters of breaking up the EU .. Britain, America, Russia ........

Wow, who'd have thought that two world powers like America and Russia would be in favour of one less rival on the world stage? Here was us thinking that it's because they're altruistic lovers of sovereignty. "

America and Russia have no interest in a minnow like the U.K. but they fear the buying and negotiating power of the EU. One thing Trump and Putin agree on and there might be more information on this in the reports that Johnson is trying to sit on until after the election.

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"One thing many appear to have in common. Supporters of breaking up the EU .. Britain, America, Russia ........

Wow, who'd have thought that two world powers like America and Russia would be in favour of one less rival on the world stage? Here was us thinking that it's because they're altruistic lovers of sovereignty.

America and Russia have no interest in a minnow like the U.K. but they fear the buying and negotiating power of the EU. One thing Trump and Putin agree on and there might be more information on this in the reports that Johnson is trying to sit on until after the election. "

Yes, it appears that he may have been sitting on the report for a while and doesn't want it published until Spring next year.

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Looks like we now have definitive proof that no-deal is not what 17.4 million people voted for in 2016. The Brexit party are the only ones running on a no-deal platform, and yet they're only polling around 15 percent.

Also, there was a planned pro-Brexit protest in Doncaster yesterday and not a sinner showed up. Yeah, you can really feel that no-deal appetite surge through the UK, can't you?

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Opinion polls vary. Some are putting the Faragist Party Mk 2 as low as 7%. Might even go lower now their cowardly leader is chickening out of standing for parliament.

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I wonder if we might all be missing something? Just heard an old fella on a radio phone-in who genuinely believes that the Brexshit Party will win an overall majority and that Farage will be the new PM

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"Opinion polls vary. Some are putting the Faragist Party Mk 2 as low as 7%. Might even go lower now their cowardly leader is chickening out of standing for parliament."

Yes, 15 percent is a higher estimate, and they do go lower. None of their current polling gives them much of a chance to return seats.

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"I wonder if we might all be missing something? Just heard an old fella on a radio phone-in who genuinely believes that the Brexshit Party will win an overall majority and that Farage will be the new PM "

Didn't know Mikkey69 called into radio shows.

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"I wonder if we might all be missing something? Just heard an old fella on a radio phone-in who genuinely believes that the Brexshit Party will win an overall majority and that Farage will be the new PM

Didn't know Mikkey69 called into radio shows. "

Might have been him but no mention of the glorious 31 October, so maybe not.

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"I wonder if we might all be missing something? Just heard an old fella on a radio phone-in who genuinely believes that the Brexshit Party will win an overall majority and that Farage will be the new PM "

I've seem similar claims on social media. Yet he wont even have a seat in the HOC. Perhaps he'll be made Duke of Little Britain and run the country from the HOL like some Victorian PMs did.

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"I wonder if we might all be missing something? Just heard an old fella on a radio phone-in who genuinely believes that the Brexshit Party will win an overall majority and that Farage will be the new PM "

Bring back Logan’s Run

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"I wonder if we might all be missing something? Just heard an old fella on a radio phone-in who genuinely believes that the Brexshit Party will win an overall majority and that Farage will be the new PM

Didn't know Mikkey69 called into radio shows. "

I think their screening filters out the real fruitcakes

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