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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 5 weeks ago

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"The whole situation would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic. We have a serious pandemic. We have a nationwide lockdown to try and battle it. As a result the country has ground to a halt and we are facing a massive economic meltdown.

Yet everything is suddenly being distracted by one man's alleged misdemeanour. It sounds as if the trip to Durham may have been within the rules although the subsequent trip to Barnard's Castle was not. I brought up the subject of Tony Lloyd just to point out that others, from all groups, may be guilty of flouting lockdown rules. It's a side-show. A distraction from issues that really matter. Personally I'm a bit indifferent towards Cummings. He spoke better than I expected, he explained himself fairly well but he could perhaps have been a bit more apologetic and contrite.

What gets to me most is that this all happened 7 or 8 weeks ago. Why wasn't it headline news then? Why wait until now? The Mirror and Guardian have been muck-raking as usual but they are, to say the least, rather slow and inefficient. "

You would think. If he had the countries best interest at heart. OR even if he had his employers’ best interest at heart. He would do the honourable thing and resign. I guess in todays Tory Party Honour is something from a bygone day.

I wonder why he wants to keep the pressure on Bozo. Does our Dom know where all the bodies are buried? Does he have a stash of polaroid’s or perhaps a memory stick with some salacious info on it.

All this bad press has gotta be good for those of us that are not natural Tories. People have long memories, you see that with folks quoting Campbell, Blair and Thatcher even today. Every time the subject is wanted to be changed all people are going to say is one rule for us one rule for Dom and Bozo.

I hope he stays with Bozo for a long time

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The press seem to relish attacking government but there's hardly a mention of the thousands of ordinary people who have flouted the rules. They seem to delight in printing people on beaches. But then of course the police do nothing. The press don't make a stink of this either.

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By *esperate jon  (M) 5 weeks ago

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One of my clients said today all the guy's in his garage are all spitting feathers over the Cummings crap as some have had to juggle so much with the lockdown as they and their partners had to work and child care was like driving into a brick wall, even my client said his aunt moved in to looking after his siblings. People are fuming over this and it ain't going to go away. The snp and labour are not in charge of this country but obviously know Boris and that twat Cummings have done wrong and needs to be dealt with serverly, even if head's roll. And now knob head Boris is waving glasses at us as the 3 day's he had cv 19 it's making his eye sight fail?? What next?? Cummings must be in the running for a bafta and the booker prize after yesterday's performance???

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"The press seem to relish attacking government but there's hardly a mention of the thousands of ordinary people who have flouted the rules. They seem to delight in printing people on beaches. But then of course the police do nothing. The press don't make a stink of this either."

It’s pathetic really. I have seen about 20 people today and not one of them could give a toss about Mr Cummings. Then again they are workers, not Labour shirkers. In the meantime hundreds of economic migrants are turning up on our beaches after being escorted over the channel by the French, carrying goodness knows what diseases and viruses, and there isn’t a media scumbag in sight. They are all outside some blokes house harassing him and his 4 year old autistic boy. They really are the lowest of the low. Scrap the licence fee as well. I havnt paid mine for 3 years, I refuse to pay for a Labour propaganda machine.

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By *iwmwales  (M) 5 weeks ago

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I agree with the approach Cummings is taking, "I did it for the best interests of my family, and I'd do it again, for the best interests of my family". Let the media argue that he should follow the "rules" even to the detriment of his family, that's a losing argument if I've ever seen one....

If he says he's sorry or even hints that he may be sorry it will be "Cummings has to go". Frankly I want Cummings in place to kick the EU's teeth in.... and if he nails a bunch of the Whitehall wallys on the way, all the better.

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By *esperate jon  (M) 5 weeks ago

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Yes the media will make a song and dance over this as it was blatant he was wrong, but I agree with _usansilkysubcd the media are not reporting about the migrants coming across the channel escorted by the French!! We had another abandoned yacht up the Beaulieu river most probably stolen in France with how many people sailed it across we will never know?? But the media won't report on that. Until we get back to normal everyone has to except that everyone has their opinion and if you don't agree with except it. We all don't agree with one another but least forum's like this let's me vent off my anger and lifts a weight off my shoulders to calm down. I know I'm doing wrong by going back to work but I've no other option but least I'm a happier person than I was 11 week's ago when this charade kicked off...

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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ROFL. Are we really so pathetic that a very small number of us post around 175 posts mostly repetitive and a bit meaningless even though there a few good ones and now we start a new thread to carry on saying the same things lol.

The media has us hoodwinked

Looking forward to another 175 posts .. please please try not to repeat what has already been said.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 5 weeks ago

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"The press seem to relish attacking government but there's hardly a mention of the thousands of ordinary people who have flouted the rules. They seem to delight in printing people on beaches. But then of course the police do nothing. The press don't make a stink of this either.

It’s pathetic really. I have seen about 20 people today and not one of them could give a toss about Mr Cummings. Then again they are workers, not Labour shirkers. In the meantime hundreds of economic migrants are turning up on our beaches after being escorted over the channel by the French, carrying goodness knows what diseases and viruses, and there isn’t a media scumbag in sight. They are all outside some blokes house harassing him and his 4 year old autistic boy. They really are the lowest of the low. Scrap the licence fee as well. I havnt paid mine for 3 years, I refuse to pay for a Labour propaganda machine."

Are you suggesting we send out the Royal Navy to stop the French escorting those “economic migrants” across the channel? Or perhaps we should machine gun them A La Katie Hopkins.

I despair, an admitted law breaker making false accusations about one of our NATO allies. Have a word with yourself.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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"You would think. If he had the countries best interest at heart. OR even if he had his employers’ best interest at heart....."

I do agree to some extent but if it was me and I was answering false accusations and honestly believed I had done no wrong - would I resign?

I'm not sure I would.

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*orum reader By *orum reader  (M) 5 weeks ago

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I do think we need to separate the four trips the first from London to Durham I think it can be accepted it was within the guidelines the other 3 trips the trip to the castle the return from the castle and the return to London were all unnecessary and against the guidelines if not the law nobody should be driving if they are not sure about their eyesight as DC said

When I first heard all the allegations I felt all if it was wrong but I'm happy to accept the first trip but not the other 3

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By *erkey   premium paying member (M) 5 weeks ago

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Do we really want the press to run the country rather than the elected MPs ?

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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"Do we really want the press to run the country rather than the elected MPs ?"

I'd ask Cliff Richard and a few other innocent high profile people who have been subjected to a media witch hunt.

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By *esperate jon  (M) 5 weeks ago

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Thank-you, that's the first time I'll be able with _orum reader. 3 more trips?? I'm watching that drab breifing right now and I think the next one who should go is Hancock. Every question he's asked it ain't got an answer, keeps repeating ppe and stay alert. To late for that tory government as what Cummings has done people are going to follow as if it's good for the government to break the rules it's good enough for us. Boris, Hancock and Cummings?? Look what you've created. A country full of anger. Don't forget there is only about 350 on this site and there is another 80 million in this country how may feel angry over the shambles the government is doing...

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"Do we really want the press to run the country rather than the elected MPs ?"

From what I have seen and heard in recent weeks, not a bad idea. The press have asked the pertinent questions and the MPs have given flim-flam answers.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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"Do we really want the press to run the country rather than the elected MPs ?"

The press have been pathetic. They have done absolutely nothing to investigate their stories or to print any facts but just ask the same questions getting the same answers.

That is not journalism.

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By *oondog   profile verified by photo (M) 5 weeks ago

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Britain topping the death rate per million table gets a few mentions whilst the hysteria over Cummings gets crazy coverage!

The real story here is to find out why so many of our cases have died and continue to die.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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Exactly right. The media have created a frenzy from nothing and like idiots he nation is falling for it.

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"Do we really want the press to run the country rather than the elected MPs ?"

Dominic Cummings is not an elected MP , The press should investigate blatant disregard of the self isolation rules by a member of No 10 staff

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"Britain topping the death rate per million table gets a few mentions whilst the hysteria over Cummings gets crazy coverage!

The real story here is to find out why so many of our cases have died and continue to die.

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I have just read that report of our government's great 'success' too. I have also read reports on the plummeting confidence in the government's strategy, ICU doctors' fears of a second spike and the flouting of social distancing attributed to the Cummings effect. His actions, and the support he receives in high places, will have consequences and I fear they will all be negative. Just sweeping it under the carpet will not make it go away. Once a bad example has been set and defended, people who are frustrated and angry because of the hardship they have endured will unfortunately be all too ready to follow it.

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"Exactly right. The media have created a frenzy from nothing and like idiots he nation is falling for it."

The press have been doing their job. I don't think the nation has fallen for anything. Everyone I have spoken to today made their judgement on his 'performance' yesterday. Not one of them believed he was truthful or sincere. They made their judgement on what he said, which has nothing to do with the media.

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By *reatedbear   profile verified by photo (M) 5 weeks ago

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The nation is falling for nothing. The nation have seen what he did. He didn't stay at home when we were categorically told that if you have symptoms you MUST STAY AT HOME. Too much fluff going on with the story, too many convenient excuses. The child being brought in to it is just bluster and people appeasement. Opinion poll out this afternoon...71% for him to go, 29% stay. Not long now...until he goes and then sneaks back in in a couple or 3 months time when everyone has calmed down and we're happy because we are more or less back to normal and it's all a distant memory. The fact in this is that people are not particularly angry about what he did, they are angry because they couldn't do the same (or so they thought) and had to endure lockdown whilst Cummings didn't. A large poster in the precinct near me this morning has been defaced. It states 'stay home' etc. Someone has sprayed underneath those words 'unless you're Cummings'. I watched people's reaction for a few minutes and the majority nodded in agreement.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 5 weeks ago

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'And now knob head Boris is waving glasses at us as the 3 day's he had cv 19 it's making his eye sight fail??'

Yes, I see that he now poses with his glasses on - I wonder if he got his eyes tested at Specsavers or if he had to do a 60-mile drive with a child in the car to see test his sight?

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By *esperate jon  (M) 5 weeks ago

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The media has a job to do and at this very moment their doing what's right, we all know the cases of coronavirus is dropping but the general public are worried about a second phase?? Get real it ain't going to happen!! But if the media did not report about this knob Cummings breaking the rules we would be none the wiser, I'm glad this has come out as now minister's are resigning over this so it obvious the people in charge are not doing their job's properly? As someone said if he did go he'll sneak back in like the worm he is. To think I'm being dragged into his son is autistic, his wife was ill with cv19 and his failing eye sight doesn't make me feel any sympathy for him, what I and looking at the polls want to know is? Why does the twat think he's so more superior than the likes of the normal person obeying the rules he thinks he can break them? If I ever meet him I'll slap the fucker into next year..

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 5 weeks ago

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No the media are not doing their job. They are muck-raking and searching desperately for sensationalist stories. Why now? Why not 7 weeks ago when this 'event' took place, The rags are not exactly efficient. All they are trying to do is undermine the government which wont do anyone any good. Whether the leftards, Boris Bashers Remainers or whatever like it or not you are stuck with this government for the next four and a half years. Weaken the government and you weaken the country. Whether or not Cummings should be sacked, persuaded to stand down or side-lined is open to debate. But one thing is certain. His fate is not going to cure Civid10 or bring lockdown to an end.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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"The press seem to relish attacking government but there's hardly a mention of the thousands of ordinary people who have flouted the rules. They seem to delight in printing people on beaches. But then of course the police do nothing. The press don't make a stink of this either.

It’s pathetic really. I have seen about 20 people today and not one of them could give a toss about Mr Cummings. Then again they are workers, not Labour shirkers. In the meantime hundreds of economic migrants are turning up on our beaches after being escorted over the channel by the French, carrying goodness knows what diseases and viruses, and there isn’t a media scumbag in sight. They are all outside some blokes house harassing him and his 4 year old autistic boy. They really are the lowest of the low. Scrap the licence fee as well. I havnt paid mine for 3 years, I refuse to pay for a Labour propaganda machine."

The two word "media" and "scumbag" will forever be said in unison.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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"The press seem to relish attacking government but there's hardly a mention of the thousands of ordinary people who have flouted the rules. They seem to delight in printing people on beaches. But then of course the police do nothing. The press don't make a stink of this either.

It’s pathetic really. I have seen about 20 people today and not one of them could give a toss about Mr Cummings. Then again they are workers, not Labour shirkers. In the meantime hundreds of economic migrants are turning up on our beaches after being escorted over the channel by the French, carrying goodness knows what diseases and viruses, and there isn’t a media scumbag in sight. They are all outside some blokes house harassing him and his 4 year old autistic boy. They really are the lowest of the low. Scrap the licence fee as well. I havnt paid mine for 3 years, I refuse to pay for a Labour propaganda machine."

The two word "media" and "scumbag" will forever be said in unison.

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"No the media are not doing their job. They are muck-raking and searching desperately for sensationalist stories. Why now? Why not 7 weeks ago when this 'event' took place, The rags are not exactly efficient. All they are trying to do is undermine the government which wont do anyone any good. Whether the leftards, Boris Bashers Remainers or whatever like it or not you are stuck with this government for the next four and a half years. Weaken the government and you weaken the country. Whether or not Cummings should be sacked, persuaded to stand down or side-lined is open to debate. But one thing is certain. His fate is not going to cure Civid10 or bring lockdown to an end."

It is not the media that is undermining the government. It is the government that is undermining trust in the government and its credibility. Cummings will not resign and Bozo cannot sack him, but his fate is immaterial in a way. His actions and the defence of those actions will not cure the virus or bring lock-down to an end but will more probably result in a further spread of the virus and another lock-down. We already have the highest death rate per million (that cannot reflect a successful handling of the crisis) and the Cummings effect will, I fear, mean things getting worse before they get better. Cummings and Bozo need to take some accountability for that. Blaming the media when things start to unravel for the Tories is shooting the messenger. What are the media supposed to do? Not report the news?

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"The press seem to relish attacking government but there's hardly a mention of the thousands of ordinary people who have flouted the rules. They seem to delight in printing people on beaches. But then of course the police do nothing. The press don't make a stink of this either.

It’s pathetic really. I have seen about 20 people today and not one of them could give a toss about Mr Cummings. Then again they are workers, not Labour shirkers. In the meantime hundreds of economic migrants are turning up on our beaches after being escorted over the channel by the French, carrying goodness knows what diseases and viruses, and there isn’t a media scumbag in sight. They are all outside some blokes house harassing him and his 4 year old autistic boy. They really are the lowest of the low. Scrap the licence fee as well. I havnt paid mine for 3 years, I refuse to pay for a Labour propaganda machine.

The two word "media" and "scumbag" will forever be said in unison."

I disagree. A more appropriate coupling would be 'Cummings' and 'scumbag'.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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"No the media are not doing their job. They are muck-raking and searching desperately for sensationalist stories. Why now? Why not 7 weeks ago when this 'event' took place, The rags are not exactly efficient. All they are trying to do is undermine the government which wont do anyone any good. Whether the leftards, Boris Bashers Remainers or whatever like it or not you are stuck with this government for the next four and a half years. Weaken the government and you weaken the country. Whether or not Cummings should be sacked, persuaded to stand down or side-lined is open to debate. But one thing is certain. His fate is not going to cure Civid10 or bring lockdown to an end."

The media really have shown themselves up and let the country down. They have behaved abysmally but I'm not sure we expected much more from them.

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"No the media are not doing their job. They are muck-raking and searching desperately for sensationalist stories. Why now? Why not 7 weeks ago when this 'event' took place, The rags are not exactly efficient. All they are trying to do is undermine the government which wont do anyone any good. Whether the leftards, Boris Bashers Remainers or whatever like it or not you are stuck with this government for the next four and a half years. Weaken the government and you weaken the country. Whether or not Cummings should be sacked, persuaded to stand down or side-lined is open to debate. But one thing is certain. His fate is not going to cure Civid10 or bring lockdown to an end.

The media really have shown themselves up and let the country down. They have behaved abysmally but I'm not sure we expected much more from them."

The media have not let the country down by reporting what Cummings did. Cummings' actions and Bozo's defence of him have let the country down and undermined their own message. But I'm not sure we should have expected much more from them, especially considering Bozo's reputation as a compulsive liar.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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You aint gonna believe this but I have just spoken to a source in the media who got it from a neighbour of the obvious guilty party that a body was planted in the swimming pool of Michael Barrymore by no other than XXXXXX I have deleted the name but he is a member of this site.

Personally I don't believe this but many will think it is true because the media keep asking questions. Not real questions. The same sort of questions over and over.

Hey!!! Lets get social media involved and let twitter go mad.

who would ave believed it? Must be true because we all know you are guilty until proven innocent.

Bloody hell I'm aghast!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 5 weeks ago

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When your government of choice is in trouble due to wrongdoing and lies, the easiest option is to shoot the messenger. Strange how those who are criticising the media in this instance quote the media when they report something that concurs with their views. Anything they don't like is fake news and what they do like comes from a reliable source.

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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"You aint gonna believe this but I have just spoken to a source in the media who got it from a neighbour of the obvious guilty party that a body was planted in the swimming pool of Michael Barrymore by no other than XXXXXX I have deleted the name but he is a member of this site.

Personally I don't believe this but many will think it is true because the media keep asking questions. Not real questions. The same sort of questions over and over.

Hey!!! Lets get social media involved and let twitter go mad.

who would ave believed it? Must be true because we all know you are guilty until proven innocent.

Bloody hell I'm aghast!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I hate fake news but we get it all the time.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 5 weeks ago

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Breaking news. The man reading the work of fiction in the rose garden yesterday was not the real Cummings but a look-alike. The real Cummings in due to give the real story tomorrow. His well-known puppet will later back him up.

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"You aint gonna believe this but I have just spoken to a source in the media who got it from a neighbour of the obvious guilty party that a body was planted in the swimming pool of Michael Barrymore by no other than XXXXXX I have deleted the name but he is a member of this site.

Personally I don't believe this but many will think it is true because the media keep asking questions. Not real questions. The same sort of questions over and over.

Hey!!! Lets get social media involved and let twitter go mad.

who would ave believed it? Must be true because we all know you are guilty until proven innocent.

Bloody hell I'm aghast!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate fake news but we get it all the time."

I have just this moment come off the phone from Cliff Richard who says he does not think much of the British press.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 5 weeks ago

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The media were blamed for questioning Blair on WMD as there was incontrovertible evidence that they existed. All these years later they have still not been found. Continuing to berate the media will do nothing to restore confidence in the government's public health message. Cummings and Bozo have done more to undermine the message in four days than any of the media, and I fear the result of that will be dreadful. The media have not encouraged people to disregard the government instructions, it will be Cummings and Bozo who achieve that.

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"Britain topping the death rate per million table gets a few mentions whilst the hysteria over Cummings gets crazy coverage!

The real story here is to find out why so many of our cases have died and continue to die.

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I blame prime minister Cummings - His bad attitude, Johnson can’t sack him. Johnson would be lost without him.

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"You aint gonna believe this but I have just spoken to a source in the media who got it from a neighbour of the obvious guilty party that a body was planted in the swimming pool of Michael Barrymore by no other than XXXXXX I have deleted the name but he is a member of this site.

Personally I don't believe this but many will think it is true because the media keep asking questions. Not real questions. The same sort of questions over and over.

Hey!!! Lets get social media involved and let twitter go mad.

who would ave believed it? Must be true because we all know you are guilty until proven innocent.

Bloody hell I'm aghast!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate fake news but we get it all the time.

I have just this moment come off the phone from Cliff Richard who says he does not think much of the British press."

You might say that tongue in cheek but the number of innocent people pursued and crucified by the press is very long indeed. Google it and you will find hundreds of them.

Innocent until proven guilty is a joke.

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By *anker InHastings  (M) 5 weeks ago

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Britain does not top the deaths per million table, it is fifth, behind San Merino, Belgium, Andorra and Spain.

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By *esperate jon  (M) 5 weeks ago

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Until the press have hung Cummings out to dry it ain't going to let go, I bet Boris is hoping something tragic happens for the media to report on that but Cummings did wrong and has to face up to it. As for death rates worldwide the UK will slowly creep up but not in such a capacity as when started, an American was saying to me the other day the reason the United States have a high death rate is they don't have an NHS like we do and if you've no health insurance you will only receive minimum care, can you imagine if that was the case in the UK?

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"Britain does not top the deaths per million table, it is fifth, behind San Merino, Belgium, Andorra and Spain. "

That may be an accurate statistic but it's also a statistic which shows how unreliable statistics are. San Marino and Andorra have small populations and few deaths so they cannot be included with the larger countries. Spain, Italy, Belgium and France are more fairly included with the UK but even then each country is doing different testing and different collating of information so true figures will not be known for some time .. if ever! Sweden who seemed to make all the right moves initially seems worried now!

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If his attitude was different from his I know I am right and your all don,t know what your talking about and had eaten a bit of humble pie he might have been a different outcome. But when you have the attitude of its got **** all to do with you what I do then you can see why the press etc keep after him.

Where would he be if Boris hadn,t make it over the virus or was incapacitated to carry on and we the had another Prime Minster would he still be there?

What I object to is I didn,t vote for him so why should I pay my taxes to keep him in his job? can,t the Prime Minster make up his own mind etc without all these hangers on. Did Winston Churchill etc have them in there day? Back then it was more the Prime Minster lived in number 10 and was it full of hangers on like it is these days.

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 5 weeks ago

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Laughable really, The Liar defending another liar, all a bunch of liars.

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Interesting to note that people who were fined for doing what Cummings did and were told yesterday that this would be 'looked' at, will now NOT have it looked at. So, if you've been fined for doing nothing wrong, you just put up with it? NO YOU DON'T. You create merry Hell and cause as much trouble as you can. I certainly would.

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"If his attitude was different from his I know I am right and your all don,t know what your talking about and had eaten a bit of humble pie he might have been a different outcome. But when you have the attitude of its got **** all to do with you what I do then you can see why the press etc keep after him.

Where would he be if Boris hadn,t make it over the virus or was incapacitated to carry on and we the had another Prime Minster would he still be there?

What I object to is I didn,t vote for him so why should I pay my taxes to keep him in his job? can,t the Prime Minster make up his own mind etc without all these hangers on. Did Winston Churchill etc have them in there day? Back then it was more the Prime Minster lived in number 10 and was it full of hangers on like it is these days. "

If we didnt pay to keep those in jobs who we hadn't voted for we would be financially much better off.

I agree it is his arrogance rather than what he did wrong. Maybe he hasn't done anything wrong which would make Johnson right to stand by him. I dont think he did wrong but I do think he should have gone quickly for the sake of his party.

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"Interesting to note that people who were fined for doing what Cummings did and were told yesterday that this would be 'looked' at, will now NOT have it looked at. So, if you've been fined for doing nothing wrong, you just put up with it? NO YOU DON'T. You create merry Hell and cause as much trouble as you can. I certainly would."

Absolutely.

If I had received a fine for taking a jolly to the beach I would pay up and accept I had acted wrongly. If I was fined taking my child to another area where I felt it would be best then I would create merry hell .. no doubt about that.

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'If his attitude was different from his I know I am right and your all don,t know what your talking about and had eaten a bit of humble pie he might have been a different outcome. But when you have the attitude of its got **** all to do with you what I do then you can see why the press etc keep after him.'

I agree. It is the attitude of arrogance, lack of any remorse and nothing even verging on an apology ('I am exceptional') and the same attitude from Bozo that have stoked most of the anger and resentment and jeopardise the public health message.

They clearly believe that voters have short memories and that they can just brazen this out, but I think that Cummings has seriously misjudged the public mood on this occasion. I am not overly bothered by the damage, if any, to their political careers, but I am greatly concerned about the potential disastrous effects on public adherence to any guidelines now that trust has been seriously dented.

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My client said this morning over the Cummings shambles that does he not have anyone in London that is a friend that he could turn too? He must be hated in London if he ain't?? I know he's an arrogant twat but surely someone in London likes him!!! His only mate at the moment is Boris as more are turning against him from the conservative party and Boris has to face parliament committee so that will be interesting to watch him squirm his way out of that...

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By *eros54  (M) 5 weeks ago

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Your clients have a lot to say desperate-jon you should get them to join this site and breathe some fresh air and new posts so we don't have to keep repeating the same daft nonsense over and over.

The site needs new posters.

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I don't think his wife would be to happy if he joined this site, even though he's a nice bit of eye candy and what I'm after In a man I've to be professional sadly.

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The site needs new posters."

It certainly could as it has got very repetitious lately.

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The site needs new posters.

It certainly could as it has got very repetitious lately."

Trouble is that when others post they are either ignored or.......ignored. It seems that if you don’t want to join the mud throwing you’re not welcome.

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It's not mud throwing it's called difference of opion and that's what it's about. I'm a tory supporter always have been but the shower of shite running the country are not in my eye's doing it right? But that's my opinion not everyone will agree with that on me? I look at how the rest of the world is going about getting on after lockdown and we are so far behind we will be left out to dry, we were on the same par of lockdown as other's that have opened up but our government wants to listen to scientific advice? Get on with it.. And with this twat Cummings basically telling us to fuck off as he can do what he wants is completely wrong.

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I'm watching it live on TV and this so called wonderful leader is crumbling!!! What a cunt? But do you think he's sat there all dressed up like that advert were the top half is smart but don't see down below?? Crotchless panties with his weeny wanger poking out his ginger pubes!!!! Nail him to the cross for letting us down over one person

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"It's not mud throwing it's called difference of opion and that's what it's about. I'm a tory supporter always have been but the shower of shite running the country are not in my eye's doing it right? But that's my opinion not everyone will agree with that on me? I look at how the rest of the world is going about getting on after lockdown and we are so far behind we will be left out to dry, we were on the same par of lockdown as other's that have opened up but our government wants to listen to scientific advice? Get on with it.. And with this twat Cummings basically telling us to fuck off as he can do what he wants is completely wrong. "

Rather proves my point doesn’t it!

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"I'm watching it live on TV and this so called wonderful leader is crumbling!!! What a cunt? But do you think he's sat there all dressed up like that advert were the top half is smart but don't see down below?? Crotchless panties with his weeny wanger poking out his ginger pubes!!!! Nail him to the cross for letting us down over one person "

You are belittling and demeaning yourself now and making yourself look rather foolish.

I would stick to your more adult posts of which you make some good points.

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"I'm watching it live on TV and this so called wonderful leader is crumbling!!! What a cunt? But do you think he's sat there all dressed up like that advert were the top half is smart but don't see down below?? Crotchless panties with his weeny wanger poking out his ginger pubes!!!! Nail him to the cross for letting us down over one person "

That image has just made my gag on my biscuit! What's more, hearing the shite that pours out of his mouth, I don't even want to think of what happens further down. One thing is clear - he has chosen to put one person above the public health of the country. I hope he will take accountability if and when the dire consequences of that choice become evident.

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Dominic Cummings - Witch-hunt!

Caught doing what exactly? Despite all the accusations in the press, it appears he did nothing but use his best efforts to provide a safe environment for his family, and in particular, his 4yr old autistic child, whilst steadfastly maintaining complete social distancing and keeping within the rules?

My neighbours, the hypocritical press, most people I've come across in the supermarket, half the country it seems, are openly flouting the distancing rules, but Dominic Cummings tries to do his best for his family, whilst keeping within the rules, and suddenly everyone is an expert and insists he's done something terrible, so he must be hung drawn and quartered! People need to take a look at themselves before they begin the stoning.

Social distancing is at the heart of keeping the virus at bay. No matter what you may think of him as a person, DC put no-one at risk. He maintained social distancing throughout (unlike the journo's clamoring and screeching like a bunch of chimpanzees around him, whenever he appears outside his own home - when are they going to be sacked?).

He took great care to avoid any close interaction with anyone outside his small family unit and had the sense to realize that being near someone who was at very low risk, who knew his son personally, and who could provide childcare if both he and his wife became too ill, would be the best solution.

Other people made different choices - so what? That was up to them - the rules were clearly explained during the endless daily briefings, so everyone was made aware that they had some latitude over the 'stay at home' message when it came to finding care for young children. No-one can blame DC for the fact that they didn't make the same choices as him. Let's not forget, he too, lost someone who was dear to him during this period.

There is no correlation between this situation and that of someone not being allowed to spend time with a loved one who is seriously ill in hospital - that is a completely separate issue and should cause much greater concern - those questions need to be directed at the NHS and those in charge of providing health services. Lumping these situations together is pure malevolence.

This whole ugly, ridiculous debacle is a shining example of why the gutter press (and by that, I mean all of them) and general media need to be reigned in and made subject to effective controls.

Throughout the whole Covid 19 period, the media has waged war on the health of the nation. They bang on about safeguarding the public, yet they are the people most responsible for whipping up anxiety and stress, bombarding us with negativity, undermining confidence and publishing pure nastiness, thwarting any attempts to improve the mental wellbeing of a nation in crisis, all in the name of reporting the news.

Unfortunately, their idea of 'news' is simply lies, gossip, tittle tattle, rumours, twisting the truth for their own ends, political point scoring, uncorroborated accusations and the irresponsible ravings of people with an axe to grind. Piers Morgan, Gary Lineker, 'anonymous' Civil Service members, even Church leaders are getting in on the act…they should all be ashamed of their deliberately divisive behaviour.

As far as I am concerned, the situation is, as others have said in so many words: A man does what he thinks is best for his ailing family, whilst adhering to the rules regarding the protection of young children and social distancing – the press jump on him like slavering wolves and endeavour to tear him limb from limb.

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@JohnE - in all of London there was NOBODY who could help? A city of 10,000,000 or so?

A reasonable distance to drive, under the rules he drew up is up to 20 miles or so. He drove nearly 600 miles. That’s not reasonable. It’s outside the guidelines he drew up and foisted on 65,000,000 people.

He and his partner were exhibiting symptoms, his rules, not mine, not yours, HIS rules say self isolate for 14 days at home. His rules specifically preclude near enough driving the length of England. HIS rules!

It’s the staggering hypocrisy and sense of entitlement that upsets people. But as ever politicians argue another point, refuse to listen to what anyone of us might say.

It’s not a witch-hunt, its a country wanting to understand why they’re abiding, in the vast majority, by the rules he helped put in place, when he, and others involved, plainly ignore them.

How’s that acceptable John? Lets go back a few years, when homosexuality was illegal, if we got caught fucking we’d end up with a record, yet half the cabinet and shadow cabinet could be knee deep in cum from the gay orgy from Hell, and...nothing.

Why is their hypocrisy allowed? Why are they ok to break their own rules but we’re not?

I’m lucky, my family is me and the cat. I’m not missing much, but other people are suffering terribly, they’re very social creatures, they’re really feeling the pain of separation. They’re abiding by the strict rules, doing it out of a sense of duty, even pride, yet we still have one of the worst infection and death rates on Earth. Why, because of people doing EXACTLY what Dominic Cummings did!

Again, it’s not a witch-hunt, it’s people expecting, and demanding, that they be held to account to the same standard as the rest of us.

It’s not even a right, left, centre, extremes matter, it’s the application of the law evenly to ALL, not excepting a privileged few. Even HM the Queen is abiding to the rules, if she can do it, so can he!

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Neros54, sorry if I could retract what I wrote about Boris under the desk I would, I think the afternoon sunshine and beers took over me so do apologise. Back to the point Boris has now been told by the liason council a major majority state Cummings had done wrong and all he wants to do is brush it aside? This is going to haunt Johnson for the rest of his time in charge as the public will never forget this for allowing one man to break the rules.

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"@JohnE - in all of London there was NOBODY who could help? A city of 10,000,000 or so?

A reasonable distance to drive, under the rules he drew up is up to 20 miles or so. He drove nearly 600 miles. That’s not reasonable. It’s outside the guidelines he drew up and foisted on 65,000,000 people.

He and his partner were exhibiting symptoms, his rules, not mine, not yours, HIS rules say self isolate for 14 days at home. His rules specifically preclude near enough driving the length of England. HIS rules!

It’s the staggering hypocrisy and sense of entitlement that upsets people. But as ever politicians argue another point, refuse to listen to what anyone of us might say.

It’s not a witch-hunt, its a country wanting to understand why they’re abiding, in the vast majority, by the rules he helped put in place, when he, and others involved, plainly ignore them.

How’s that acceptable John? Lets go back a few years, when homosexuality was illegal, if we got caught fucking we’d end up with a record, yet half the cabinet and shadow cabinet could be knee deep in cum from the gay orgy from Hell, and...nothing.

Why is their hypocrisy allowed? Why are they ok to break their own rules but we’re not?

I’m lucky, my family is me and the cat. I’m not missing much, but other people are suffering terribly, they’re very social creatures, they’re really feeling the pain of separation. They’re abiding by the strict rules, doing it out of a sense of duty, even pride, yet we still have one of the worst infection and death rates on Earth. Why, because of people doing EXACTLY what Dominic Cummings did!

Again, it’s not a witch-hunt, it’s people expecting, and demanding, that they be held to account to the same standard as the rest of us.

It’s not even a right, left, centre, extremes matter, it’s the application of the law evenly to ALL, not excepting a privileged few. Even HM the Queen is abiding to the rules, if she can do it, so can he!"

I appreciate a decent post, well written Bored Eric as we don't see many on here. I don't agree with your views but at least the post shows intelligence.

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"The press seem to relish attacking government but there's hardly a mention of the thousands of ordinary people who have flouted the rules. They seem to delight in printing people on beaches. But then of course the police do nothing. The press don't make a stink of this either.

It’s pathetic really. I have seen about 20 people today and not one of them could give a toss about Mr Cummings. Then again they are workers, not Labour shirkers. In the meantime hundreds of economic migrants are turning up on our beaches after being escorted over the channel by the French, carrying goodness knows what diseases and viruses, and there isn’t a media scumbag in sight. They are all outside some blokes house harassing him and his 4 year old autistic boy. They really are the lowest of the low. Scrap the licence fee as well. I havnt paid mine for 3 years, I refuse to pay for a Labour propaganda machine."

Can I put you down for a subscription to the Mail on Sunday? My name? Oh yes, its’s Quentin Letts.....

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"@JohnE - in all of London there was NOBODY who could help? A city of 10,000,000 or so?

A reasonable distance to drive, under the rules he drew up is up to 20 miles or so. He drove nearly 600 miles. That’s not reasonable. It’s outside the guidelines he drew up and foisted on 65,000,000 people.

He and his partner were exhibiting symptoms, his rules, not mine, not yours, HIS rules say self isolate for 14 days at home. His rules specifically preclude near enough driving the length of England. HIS rules!

It’s the staggering hypocrisy and sense of entitlement that upsets people. But as ever politicians argue another point, refuse to listen to what anyone of us might say.

It’s not a witch-hunt, its a country wanting to understand why they’re abiding, in the vast majority, by the rules he helped put in place, when he, and others involved, plainly ignore them.

How’s that acceptable John? Lets go back a few years, when homosexuality was illegal, if we got caught fucking we’d end up with a record, yet half the cabinet and shadow cabinet could be knee deep in cum from the gay orgy from Hell, and...nothing.

Why is their hypocrisy allowed? Why are they ok to break their own rules but we’re not?

I’m lucky, my family is me and the cat. I’m not missing much, but other people are suffering terribly, they’re very social creatures, they’re really feeling the pain of separation. They’re abiding by the strict rules, doing it out of a sense of duty, even pride, yet we still have one of the worst infection and death rates on Earth. Why, because of people doing EXACTLY what Dominic Cummings did!

Again, it’s not a witch-hunt, it’s people expecting, and demanding, that they be held to account to the same standard as the rest of us.

It’s not even a right, left, centre, extremes matter, it’s the application of the law evenly to ALL, not excepting a privileged few. Even HM the Queen is abiding to the rules, if she can do it, so can he!"

The fact that he drove to Durham is not really the point, I'm fine with that.

Driving 60 miles to test his eyesight is ridiculous! He should have stayed at the farm.

Beside the fact that he was breaking his own rules, what if he'd had an accident?

Couldn't his wife drive? Couldn't he have driven 30 miles towards London and turned back if he felt unwell?

Is he putting his sons autism as an excuse for his actions?

Johnson's approval rating is -1% according to the latest poll, and the Tory party at 19%. Nothing a leader should be proud of.

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"Dominic Cummings - Witch-hunt!

Caught doing what exactly? Despite all the accusations in the press, it appears he did nothing but use his best efforts to provide a safe environment for his family, and in particular, his 4yr old autistic child, whilst steadfastly maintaining complete social distancing and keeping within the rules?

My neighbours, the hypocritical press, most people I've come across in the supermarket, half the country it seems, are openly flouting the distancing rules, but Dominic Cummings tries to do his best for his family, whilst keeping within the rules, and suddenly everyone is an expert and insists he's done something terrible, so he must be hung drawn and quartered! People need to take a look at themselves before they begin the stoning.

Social distancing is at the heart of keeping the virus at bay. No matter what you may think of him as a person, DC put no-one at risk. He maintained social distancing throughout (unlike the journo's clamoring and screeching like a bunch of chimpanzees around him, whenever he appears outside his own home - when are they going to be sacked?).

He took great care to avoid any close interaction with anyone outside his small family unit and had the sense to realize that being near someone who was at very low risk, who knew his son personally, and who could provide childcare if both he and his wife became too ill, would be the best solution.

Other people made different choices - so what? That was up to them - the rules were clearly explained during the endless daily briefings, so everyone was made aware that they had some latitude over the 'stay at home' message when it came to finding care for young children. No-one can blame DC for the fact that they didn't make the same choices as him. Let's not forget, he too, lost someone who was dear to him during this period.

There is no correlation between this situation and that of someone not being allowed to spend time with a loved one who is seriously ill in hospital - that is a completely separate issue and should cause much greater concern - those questions need to be directed at the NHS and those in charge of providing health services. Lumping these situations together is pure malevolence.

This whole ugly, ridiculous debacle is a shining example of why the gutter press (and by that, I mean all of them) and general media need to be reigned in and made subject to effective controls.

Throughout the whole Covid 19 period, the media has waged war on the health of the nation. They bang on about safeguarding the public, yet they are the people most responsible for whipping up anxiety and stress, bombarding us with negativity, undermining confidence and publishing pure nastiness, thwarting any attempts to improve the mental wellbeing of a nation in crisis, all in the name of reporting the news.

Unfortunately, their idea of 'news' is simply lies, gossip, tittle tattle, rumours, twisting the truth for their own ends, political point scoring, uncorroborated accusations and the irresponsible ravings of people with an axe to grind. Piers Morgan, Gary Lineker, 'anonymous' Civil Service members, even Church leaders are getting in on the act…they should all be ashamed of their deliberately divisive behaviour.

As far as I am concerned, the situation is, as others have said in so many words: A man does what he thinks is best for his ailing family, whilst adhering to the rules regarding the protection of young children and social distancing – the press jump on him like slavering wolves and endeavour to tear him limb from limb."

I missed this post yesterday. Maybe because it's so unusual to find two posts not involving Punch or Judy lol.

Well written JohnE and I agree with much of what you say. I think the media and social media are controlling people's thought processes by bombarding them with constant dross.

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It is dragging on now over Cummings, the Liar will defend him further, we all know it is wrong but it will come back at some point and bite them on the arse. Interesting fact about Cummings, no one seems to mention how he lived and worked in Russia for three years under Yelstin, had he been a Labour supporter I think we would have heard a few comments on here about Commies etc.

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When you saw Boris defending Cummings in yesterday's liason meeting I very much doubt anything will happen, this will Boris's last chance of being pm so let him relish in what he's lost. But if I was Cummings I'd be keeping a very low profile as he ain't an once of decency in apologising for what he's created.

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I would still like to know if Cummings is guilty or innocent. It's possible a police investigation might show this but I also think wasting police time investigating a possible breach of lockdown is a serious waste of resources.

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My god there are some drama queens on here.

Especially j---e.and de---o.

So no labour party P.M.EVER LIED grow up guys your supposed to be men.you never ever mention Tony Blair lying and sending troops into war.

WMD.REMEMBER. I suppose you think this is worse.

What you can't get over is the real truth.

The referendum and election. Get over it.

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"My god there are some drama queens on here.

Especially j---e.and de---o.

So no labour party P.M.EVER LIED grow up guys your supposed to be men.you never ever mention Tony Blair lying and sending troops into war.

WMD.REMEMBER. I suppose you think this is worse.

What you can't get over is the real truth.

The referendum and election. Get over it."

Compare the deaths!!!!

Trust me, Dominic Cummings comes way down the list of who is to blame for the appalling death toll in this country. We could start with the previous government, the former Prime Minister, Chancellor and Health Secretary. Then there's the current Prime Minister and Health Secretary. Every one of these people have let the country down.

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Compare the deaths!!!!

Trust me, Dominic Cummings comes way down the list of who is to blame for the appalling death toll in this country. We could start with the previous government, the former Prime Minister, Chancellor and Health Secretary. Then there's the current Prime Minister and Health Secretary. Every one of these people have let the country down."

There is, of course, just a slight possibility that the deaths were caused by a virus.

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"I would still like to know if Cummings is guilty or innocent. It's possible a police investigation might show this but I also think wasting police time investigating a possible breach of lockdown is a serious waste of resources.

"

What is really wasting Police time and everyone else’s time are all the lies. They are undermining the police by being dishonest.

Mr Cummings appears to run this government. That is what it seems like. He is an unelected prime minister who is not held accountable for his actions.

Anyway that is what everyone seems to be happy with so who am I to disagree. Mr Cummings is clearly far too important to sack. Otherwise he’d be gone.

This is all crazy. Power corrupts.

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"I would still like to know if Cummings is guilty or innocent. It's possible a police investigation might show this but I also think wasting police time investigating a possible breach of lockdown is a serious waste of resources.

What is really wasting Police time and everyone else’s time are all the lies. They are undermining the police by being dishonest.

Mr Cummings appears to run this government. That is what it seems like. He is an unelected prime minister who is not held accountable for his actions.

Anyway that is what everyone seems to be happy with so who am I to disagree. Mr Cummings is clearly far too important to sack. Otherwise he’d be gone.

This is all crazy. Power corrupts.

"

Not everyone is happy with the situation. I have never been happy with the unelected tail wagging the dog. I can more or less accept a poor PM (Thatcher, Brown, Cameron, Bozo) as the party they lead has been elected, but I do not accept the country being run by the likes of Campbell, Mandelson or Cummings. It's a very bizarre system.

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i object to the 'civil serpents' thinking they run the country and holding ministers to ransom.

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"My god there are some drama queens on here.

Especially j---e.and de---o.

So no labour party P.M.EVER LIED grow up guys your supposed to be men.you never ever mention Tony Blair lying and sending troops into war.

WMD.REMEMBER. I suppose you think this is worse.

What you can't get over is the real truth.

The referendum and election. Get over it.

Compare the deaths!!!!

Trust me, Dominic Cummings comes way down the list of who is to blame for the appalling death toll in this country. We could start with the previous government, the former Prime Minister, Chancellor and Health Secretary. Then there's the current Prime Minister and Health Secretary. Every one of these people have let the country down."

The Cummings incident is certainly much less important than most other things happening at the moment but the media will keep it in the news.

The Express might stop revelations of Princess Diana and start in ?Cummings for the next few years.

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"

Compare the deaths!!!!

Trust me, Dominic Cummings comes way down the list of who is to blame for the appalling death toll in this country. We could start with the previous government, the former Prime Minister, Chancellor and Health Secretary. Then there's the current Prime Minister and Health Secretary. Every one of these people have let the country down.

There is, of course, just a slight possibility that the deaths were caused by a virus. "

I feel sorry for you.

An ass being led by a donkey.

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Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise."

Probably fake news and the media making a fuss about nothing (your claim every time a high-up Tory is involved in something dodgy). Or maybe he just needed to test his eyes or was acting on instinct in exceptional circumstances. That's the thin end of the wedge created by Cummings - what was OK for him now has to be OK for everybody, otherwise it's just gross hypocrisy and double standards.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise."

I don't think anyone doubts that a great many from all parties have broken lockdown rules but the media are only interested in one man and that has become more important than medicines, testing or deaths.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

I don't think anyone doubts that a great many from all parties have broken lockdown rules but the media are only interested in one man and that has become more important than medicines, testing or deaths. "

Not more important, but equally important. The media have reported on medicines, testing and deaths alongside the Cummings affair. It is an important matter due to principles involved - the police say he did commit an infringement while Bozo, Raab, Gove, Sunak, Hancock and others prejudged and were adamant that he hadn't. Hardly inspires confidence in their judgement. And then Bozo shuts down a journalist asking a valid question - makes people wonder if he feared their answer might not suit him. There would never have been a 'side-show' if those making the rules had received strict instructions to make sure they adhere to the rules they set for everyone. From what I have heard, it seems the media are more in touch with the public mood than the government at this time.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

I don't think anyone doubts that a great many from all parties have broken lockdown rules but the media are only interested in one man and that has become more important than medicines, testing or deaths.

Not more important, but equally important. The media have reported on medicines, testing and deaths alongside the Cummings affair. It is an important matter due to principles involved - the police say he did commit an infringement while Bozo, Raab, Gove, Sunak, Hancock and others prejudged and were adamant that he hadn't. Hardly inspires confidence in their judgement. And then Bozo shuts down a journalist asking a valid question - makes people wonder if he feared their answer might not suit him. There would never have been a 'side-show' if those making the rules had received strict instructions to make sure they adhere to the rules they set for everyone. From what I have heard, it seems the media are more in touch with the public mood than the government at this time."

Incorrect. The Police have stated he MAY have committed a minor infringement of the rules. Very different. So may about 75% of the population. Yesterday’s news already.

Apparently #ScumMedia and #ScrapTheLicenceFee are trending on twitter. I wonder why.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

Probably fake news and the media making a fuss about nothing (your claim every time a high-up Tory is involved in something dodgy). Or maybe he just needed to test his eyes or was acting on instinct in exceptional circumstances. That's the thin end of the wedge created by Cummings - what was OK for him now has to be OK for everybody, otherwise it's just gross hypocrisy and double standards."

I am not a fan of Ian Blackford, far from it, but he went home on March 26th the same as most MPs. He lives on Skye so there was no breach of the government regulations.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

Probably fake news and the media making a fuss about nothing (your claim every time a high-up Tory is involved in something dodgy). Or maybe he just needed to test his eyes or was acting on instinct in exceptional circumstances. That's the thin end of the wedge created by Cummings - what was OK for him now has to be OK for everybody, otherwise it's just gross hypocrisy and double standards.

I am not a fan of Ian Blackford, far from it, but he went home on March 26th the same as most MPs. He lives on Skye so there was no breach of the government regulations."

Why would a Tory let a little matter like the truth get in the way of their spin or lies? They really must try harder. A good start would be to stop their own arrogant MP’s and employees thinking they are above the law.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

I don't think anyone doubts that a great many from all parties have broken lockdown rules but the media are only interested in one man and that has become more important than medicines, testing or deaths.

Not more important, but equally important. The media have reported on medicines, testing and deaths alongside the Cummings affair. It is an important matter due to principles involved - the police say he did commit an infringement while Bozo, Raab, Gove, Sunak, Hancock and others prejudged and were adamant that he hadn't. Hardly inspires confidence in their judgement. And then Bozo shuts down a journalist asking a valid question - makes people wonder if he feared their answer might not suit him. There would never have been a 'side-show' if those making the rules had received strict instructions to make sure they adhere to the rules they set for everyone. From what I have heard, it seems the media are more in touch with the public mood than the government at this time.

Incorrect. The Police have stated he MAY have committed a minor infringement of the rules. Very different. So may about 75% of the population. Yesterday’s news already.

Apparently #ScumMedia and #ScrapTheLicenceFee are trending on twitter. I wonder why."

All the tit for tat comments on social media now. Pathetic. Who has done what "allegedly" has become more important that who is dying and how we stop the virus.

You are right to say the police stated he may have committed a minor infringement which, if he did, was wrong, but if he didnt, wasn't wrong.

I think I could have committed murder and received less publicity and I think rumour and gossip generates more interest than news.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

Probably fake news and the media making a fuss about nothing (your claim every time a high-up Tory is involved in something dodgy). Or maybe he just needed to test his eyes or was acting on instinct in exceptional circumstances. That's the thin end of the wedge created by Cummings - what was OK for him now has to be OK for everybody, otherwise it's just gross hypocrisy and double standards.

I am not a fan of Ian Blackford, far from it, but he went home on March 26th the same as most MPs. He lives on Skye so there was no breach of the government regulations."

Cummings didn’t break the rules either. And he’s not even an MP. Steven Kinnock MP on the other hand, well who knows. Who cares. But that’s Labour for you, why let hypocrisy get in the way of a good witch-hunt.

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I find it interesting that some of those who claim this affair has been politicised are the first to defend any wrong-doer who is a member of their party of choice and criticise rule-breakers from any other party. In other words, those posters are making it a matter of politics rather than public health. Some also claim that any criticism of people in the party they support is 'fake news', but consider criticism of people from other parties as reliable news, even when it comes from the same media sources.

In terms of public health, I am concerned that the unseemly rush to ease lock-down measures may be partly due to a communication strategy of shutting down embarrassing questions by diverting attention to a new measure that may be seen as 'good news'. I will not be changing my new habits as I do not yet feel safe to do so. I don't see anything magical about Monday that will suddenly make it safe to start behaving differently.

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The Liar has told us to move on, so do as you are told. Commie Cummings is innocent, I am having T-Shirts printed to prove it.

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

Probably fake news and the media making a fuss about nothing (your claim every time a high-up Tory is involved in something dodgy). Or maybe he just needed to test his eyes or was acting on instinct in exceptional circumstances. That's the thin end of the wedge created by Cummings - what was OK for him now has to be OK for everybody, otherwise it's just gross hypocrisy and double standards.

I am not a fan of Ian Blackford, far from it, but he went home on March 26th the same as most MPs. He lives on Skye so there was no breach of the government regulations.

Cummings didn’t break the rules either. And he’s not even an MP. Steven Kinnock MP on the other hand, well who knows. Who cares. But that’s Labour for you, why let hypocrisy get in the way of a good witch-hunt. "

I do like a witch hunt that has a wide spectrum of MP’s and grandees. If it was just anti-Tory bias you could brush it off, but, it isn’t.

Not only have the Labour Party, The SNP, The Lib Dems and the Greens, but Plaid Cymru, the DUP and even the Tories are the ones taking issue with Cummings. I suppose the Tory Leader in Scotland is another of those “Leftards”.

The Tories used to be the party of integrity. In the words of that well knows Scottish song. “Those days are past now”. When Amber Rudd was accused of misleading Parliament over the Windrush Scandal She stood down as she carried the can. She was exonerated later, that’s an honourable member. Cummings isn’t an MP he’s a paid advisor to the PM. So, his conduct reflects on not only Boris Johnson the MP but on the whole of the Government he leads and by definition on our Country.

If the Tories are prepared to trash the office of Prime Minister, and Britain’s reputation as a country governed by rule of law, So-Be-It. People have long memories when it comes to politicians, who put personal careers in front of national interest. Remember David Mellor or Neil Hamilton No place on the national stage for them now. People still refer to Margaret Thatcher as the “School Milk Snatcher” years after her death and many years after her tenure in Number 10. Tony Blair is hated by more on the left than on the right because they deemed him not to be true of spirit.

I make no secret of the fact I don’t like Bozo I think he is a waste of skin and air. His underling, or puppet master depending on how you look at it, means even less to me. However, I honestly hope Cummings holds on to his job and Bozo supports him all the way. The feeling in this country as I understand it, although I only speak to a small minority of it. Predominantly those people I speak to vote Tory, a considerable portion of them won’t, at least not in the next election. That’s got to be a good thing. Also, just like Jeremy Corbyn was the greatest recruiting sergeant for todays Tory MP’s Dominic Cummings and Bozo himself are taking on that role for Starmers’ Labour Party. Win Win

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"Evidently Ian Blackford, Ms Sturgeon's mouthpiece in Westminster, broke the lockdown rules by travelling 600 miles to the Isle of Skye. And I don't think it was exercise.

I don't think anyone doubts that a great many from all parties have broken lockdown rules but the media are only interested in one man and that has become more important than medicines, testing or deaths.

Not more important, but equally important. The media have reported on medicines, testing and deaths alongside the Cummings affair. It is an important matter due to principles involved - the police say he did commit an infringement while Bozo, Raab, Gove, Sunak, Hancock and others prejudged and were adamant that he hadn't. Hardly inspires confidence in their judgement. And then Bozo shuts down a journalist asking a valid question - makes people wonder if he feared their answer might not suit him. There would never have been a 'side-show' if those making the rules had received strict instructions to make sure they adhere to the rules they set for everyone. From what I have heard, it seems the media are more in touch with the public mood than the government at this time.

Incorrect. The Police have stated he MAY have committed a minor infringement of the rules. Very different. So may about 75% of the population. Yesterday’s news already.

Apparently #ScumMedia and #ScrapTheLicenceFee are trending on twitter. I wonder why."

Incorrect, the statement from Durham police said that the trip from london to Durham was ok but the trip to Barnard castle was a breach of regulations and had they seen him at the time they would have told him to go back as he was in breach of rules.

I personally have no problem with his trip to Durham but the subsequent trips were in breach, as has been said other high profile people from all different political parties have made trips for this or that ALL of whom should be abiding by the rules in full

If in the Dominic Cummings case he had been " caught" by police and fined the £60 this whole thing would gave died a death by now but it's the denials that hurt him and the PM

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Oops. Stirred all the usual suspects up by mentioning Ian Blackford.

Most of these infringements seemed to have happened in the early days of lockdown yet are only coming to light now. Does this mean that the ant-everything press are very slow and inefficient with their muck-raking. Or are they anxious to divert attention from a bigger news story that is about to break?

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Of course it is a political argument and nothing else but that's not really the point.

Love him or hate him Cummings has not been found guilty of anything. The trip he made for family reasons has been deemed to be ok by practically everyone now so the finger pointing has started on a minor infringement he might have committed.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

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This is the actual statement from the police.

"On 27 March 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father.

Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to “stay at home”.)

On 12 April 2020, Mr Cummings drove approximately 26 miles from his father’s property to Barnard Castle with his wife and son. He stated on 25 May 2020 that the purpose of this drive was to test his resilience to drive to London the following day, including whether his eyesight was sufficiently recovered, his period of self-isolation having ended.

Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings’ press conference on 25 May 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.

Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken."

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"Oops. Stirred all the usual suspects up by mentioning Ian Blackford.

Most of these infringements seemed to have happened in the early days of lockdown yet are only coming to light now. Does this mean that the ant-everything press are very slow and inefficient with their muck-raking. Or are they anxious to divert attention from a bigger news story that is about to break?"

Yes, but you obviously did some muck-raking through the media to get your info on people who are not Tories to make your usual argument that two wrongs make a right. On your flawed logic, the media reports about Cummings and Bozo are fake news but those against people from other parties are genuine news. I don't believe the time lag is necessarily due to the press being inefficient, more likely that the elite are very good at covering their traces to protect their own.

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"[snipDoes this mean that the ant-everything press...[snip] "

Yes the continual promotion of the Formicidae agenda is an absolute disgrace. Ant this, Ant that, Ant the other,there's no escaping it. Maybe we need to pour boiling water over the media to stop the endless formic tirade and diatribe.

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"[snipDoes this mean that the ant-everything press...[snip]

Yes the continual promotion of the Formicidae agenda is an absolute disgrace. Ant this, Ant that, Ant the other,there's no escaping it. Maybe we need to pour boiling water over the media to stop the endless formic tirade and diatribe. "

Lots more ants in my garden this year - I thought it was the weather, now I know it's all the fault of the press.

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"This is the actual statement from the police.

"On 27 March 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father.

Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to “stay at home”.)

On 12 April 2020, Mr Cummings drove approximately 26 miles from his father’s property to Barnard Castle with his wife and son. He stated on 25 May 2020 that the purpose of this drive was to test his resilience to drive to London the following day, including whether his eyesight was sufficiently recovered, his period of self-isolation having ended.

Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings’ press conference on 25 May 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.

Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken."

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I thought the actual statement from the police themselves to be more reliable than some of the inconsistencies and fabrications we have seen in the media.

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"[snipDoes this mean that the ant-everything press...[snip]

Yes the continual promotion of the Formicidae agenda is an absolute disgrace. Ant this, Ant that, Ant the other,there's no escaping it. Maybe we need to pour boiling water over the media to stop the endless formic tirade and diatribe.

Lots more ants in my garden this year - I thought it was the weather, now I know it's all the fault of the press."

I see that the spelling police are doing well in their recruitment drive. Probably better that H.M.Constabulary

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Cummings is on his last warning if todays Tory press is to be believed. Ye sure when did you ever hear of the puppet sacking the puppet master.

Sanity returns to Westminster Labour MP Rosie Duffield steps down as a front bench whip for her breach of the lockdown rules last month. At last a member holds the title “honourable member” to heart. Not only for themselves but the staff they employ. If only Bozo had the balls this lady has.

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You very rarely see any politician (or any civilian for that matter) step down from their job because it's the honourable thing even if it occasionally looks that way,

They step down because they are concerned for their own welfare and see it as damage limitation.

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"You very rarely see any politician (or any civilian for that matter) step down from their job because it's the honourable thing even if it occasionally looks that way,

They step down because they are concerned for their own welfare and see it as damage limitation. "

Well the Cummings witch hunt story is unravelling fast. It turns out that the teacher who initially reported him to the police himself drove 250 miles to pick up his self isolating family member from Uni, and another ‘key’ witness has admitted making up the whole thing for a ‘a laugh’ . That’s the Labour hypocrisy and double standards for all to see, as if we didn’t know it already. And then they wonder why they lost the last election by so much lol

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"Cummings is on his last warning if todays Tory press is to be believed. Ye sure when did you ever hear of the puppet sacking the puppet master.

Sanity returns to Westminster Labour MP Rosie Duffield steps down as a front bench whip for her breach of the lockdown rules last month. At last a member holds the title “honourable member” to heart. Not only for themselves but the staff they employ. If only Bozo had the balls this lady has.

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It would make no sense for Cummings to be on a final warning - about as probable as Emu firing Rod Hull.

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"You very rarely see any politician (or any civilian for that matter) step down from their job because it's the honourable thing even if it occasionally looks that way,

They step down because they are concerned for their own welfare and see it as damage limitation.

Well the Cummings witch hunt story is unravelling fast. It turns out that the teacher who initially reported him to the police himself drove 250 miles to pick up his self isolating family member from Uni, and another ‘key’ witness has admitted making up the whole thing for a ‘a laugh’ . That’s the Labour hypocrisy and double standards for all to see, as if we didn’t know it already. And then they wonder why they lost the last election by so much lol"

So many suppositions and lots of gossip but at the end of the day INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

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So many suppositions and lots of gossip but at the end of the day INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. "

At the end of the day HE ADMITTED HE DROVE TO DURHAM AND HE ADMITTED HE DROVE TO BARNARD CASTLE

GUILTY

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The police investigated and said the initial journey was within guidelines so INNOCENT.

The shorter journey MIGHT have been a MINOR infringement of the guidelines and he might possibly have been told to return home.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

That concept cannot be changed for people we don't like.

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"The police investigated and said the initial journey was within guidelines so INNOCENT.

The shorter journey MIGHT have been a MINOR infringement of the guidelines and he might possibly have been told to return home.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

That concept cannot be changed for people we don't like. "

He admitted his GUILT. the concept cannot be changed because the man is a LIAR and works for a LIAR

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I can only reiterate what the police report said as that is they only verified documentation I have seen but it does lean me towards believing we are all INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

That has always seemed right to me.

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"I can only reiterate what the police report said as that is they only verified documentation I have seen but it does lean me towards believing we are all INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

That has always seemed right to me. "

Nope I saw him in the rose garden of 10 Downing street having a press conference. Or perhaps he lied at that too, after all he has form.

Also, the Chief Constable of Durham Constabulary is being investigated about the handling of the Dominic Cummings investigation. I don’t think this is over by a long chalk

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"The police investigated and said the initial journey was within guidelines so INNOCENT.

The shorter journey MIGHT have been a MINOR infringement of the guidelines and he might possibly have been told to return home.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

That concept cannot be changed for people we don't like. "

It can if you are Labour. The most hilarious think is that the guy who called the cops, a retired teacher (aren’t they always?) is now complaining of media harassment and saying it has nothing to do with his family. Funny that? A 4 year old can be caught up in it and harassed but not his precious teenager who he drove 250 miles to collect. I do also recall Sir Kier when he was running for leader saying no one in the party will be fired for their mistakes. Within a few months he is calling for Cummings to be fired for his. A hypocrite and a liar. Extraordinary. But hey, it’s Labour so it’s fine and dandy lol

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You forgot to mention that the man who reported Cummings 'first' journey, had also travelled from Barnard Castle to Ascot and back, to collect his offspring.

Also, the bloke who 'reported' the second journey, has now confessed he did it as a 'joke' and falsified the evidence.

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"You forgot to mention that the man who reported Cummings 'first' journey, had also travelled from Barnard Castle to Ascot and back, to collect his offspring.

Also, the bloke who 'reported' the second journey, has now confessed he did it as a 'joke' and falsified the evidence."

Oh yes... clever....

I’m sure that those two guys were involved in development lockdown rules and like Dom are the boss of bosses in our govt....

Don’t make me laugh .... pls.... reading such excuses we need to cry.... 2nd wave defo will come with such level of banalisation of excuses

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Missing a few vital points regarding Cummings stay in this so called cottage at his parents property. That is he paid for it to be built and it has no planning permission is inside a restricted conservation area and in an area requiring permission from the coal board due to mining history. That and its not registered so he is not paying council tax on it. Of course as its not his parents cottage its his own paid for 2nd home. So that is law broken as well. Your not allowed to go to your 2nd home. Not to mention planning laws and council tax rules broken and avoiding capital gains tax on 2nd homes. But of course he is above the law.

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"The police investigated and said the initial journey was within guidelines so INNOCENT.

The shorter journey MIGHT have been a MINOR infringement of the guidelines and he might possibly have been told to return home.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

That concept cannot be changed for people we don't like. "

Agreed.

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"Missing a few vital points regarding Cummings stay in this so called cottage at his parents property. That is he paid for it to be built and it has no planning permission is inside a restricted conservation area and in an area requiring permission from the coal board due to mining history. That and its not registered so he is not paying council tax on it. Of course as its not his parents cottage its his own paid for 2nd home. So that is law broken as well. Your not allowed to go to your 2nd home. Not to mention planning laws and council tax rules broken and avoiding capital gains tax on 2nd homes. But of course he is above the law. "

If there’s any evidence to support that then Cummings is a disgrace. If there is no evidence then the poster .....

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"Missing a few vital points regarding Cummings stay in this so called cottage at his parents property. That is he paid for it to be built and it has no planning permission is inside a restricted conservation area and in an area requiring permission from the coal board due to mining history. That and its not registered so he is not paying council tax on it. Of course as its not his parents cottage its his own paid for 2nd home. So that is law broken as well. Your not allowed to go to your 2nd home. Not to mention planning laws and council tax rules broken and avoiding capital gains tax on 2nd homes. But of course he is above the law.

If there’s any evidence to support that then Cummings is a disgrace. If there is no evidence then the poster ....."

After trying to get some evidence of this I eventually found it on some rather dodgy left-wing site. Ur may possibly be true and if iy is then the Cummings family could be in serious trouble with Durham County Council.

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"You forgot to mention that the man who reported Cummings 'first' journey, had also travelled from Barnard Castle to Ascot and back, to collect his offspring.

Also, the bloke who 'reported' the second journey, has now confessed he did it as a 'joke' and falsified the evidence."

There all sorts of ridiculous rumours floating about now. It makes you wonder how low some people would go to score political points. I've detested people but wouldn't sink to those depths.

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"You forgot to mention that the man who reported Cummings 'first' journey, had also travelled from Barnard Castle to Ascot and back, to collect his offspring.

Also, the bloke who 'reported' the second journey, has now confessed he did it as a 'joke' and falsified the evidence.

There all sorts of ridiculous rumours floating about now. It makes you wonder how low some people would go to score political points. I've detested people but wouldn't sink to those depths. "

Well I expect the detestation is mutual.

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"You forgot to mention that the man who reported Cummings 'first' journey, had also travelled from Barnard Castle to Ascot and back, to collect his offspring.

Also, the bloke who 'reported' the second journey, has now confessed he did it as a 'joke' and falsified the evidence.

There all sorts of ridiculous rumours floating about now. It makes you wonder how low some people would go to score political points. I've detested people but wouldn't sink to those depths. Well I expect the detestation is mutual. "

I sincerely hope you are right. I detest racists, homophobes, child molesters, rapists, murderers so if those people hate me too then I am pleased with that. I have no time for bullies or unfairness.

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Dominic Cummings might have broken a rules or two but then again he might not

The law says innocent until proven guilty so he is innocent

It make no difference if the person who reported the possible offence had committed the same offence or indeed another offence the case against Dominic Cummings is not proven so he is innocent

Time to let this case drop,

We as a country need to pull together to help get the country going again

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The Cummings and goings of Cummings.

Come on, you got people driving to countryside beauty spots miles away from where they live, people sun bathing in parks beaches. I don't hear anyone asking for them to get sacked from their jobs.

I understand that the Government say, do as we say, not as we do. That's always been the case.

but there are people who will ignore advice. or just dislike being told what they can and can't do.

Get over it. Were British and best known as a nation of moaners.

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Three sensible posts in a row from Mikey1073, Forum Reader and xbusman. Got to be a first on this forum.

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Agree, we've had our mini protest about Cummings, for and against him. Nothing is going to happen right now but remember it'll come back to haunt the torys later. Now the lockdown is easing by the day what needs to be pressed into everyone's head is to be sensible. After seeing the beaches and beauty spots on the news around my area just shows how stupid some people are, I now feel for the poor council guy's having to clean up the mess left behind? But please would they open the public toilets as the one in my town even though locked resembles something of a third world country. People have just shit and pissed everywhere. But then I can understand as when you have to go you can't hold in. Coming home last week from work on the train I had to wee into an empty bottle as even they were closed.

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"Agree, we've had our mini protest about Cummings, for and against him. Nothing is going to happen right now but remember it'll come back to haunt the torys later. Now the lockdown is easing by the day what needs to be pressed into everyone's head is to be sensible. After seeing the beaches and beauty spots on the news around my area just shows how stupid some people are, I now feel for the poor council guy's having to clean up the mess left behind? But please would they open the public toilets as the one in my town even though locked resembles something of a third world country. People have just shit and pissed everywhere. But then I can understand as when you have to go you can't hold in. Coming home last week from work on the train I had to wee into an empty bottle as even they were closed. "

You cannot ignore our pm Dom cumm ... even before bj said his decision about the situation, Dom already told that nothing will be done against him and he will not step down. He doesn’t care!

So, I’m sure, bj will do what his boss tells him.

And don’t forget - this everything is not about virus, people, saving lives and care workers - this is all about brexit only. So priority was set clear. Exception - herd immunity strategy - this was the only thing they succeed

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"Missing a few vital points regarding Cummings stay in this so called cottage at his parents property. That is he paid for it to be built and it has no planning permission is inside a restricted conservation area and in an area requiring permission from the coal board due to mining history. That and its not registered so he is not paying council tax on it. Of course as its not his parents cottage its his own paid for 2nd home. So that is law broken as well. Your not allowed to go to your 2nd home. Not to mention planning laws and council tax rules broken and avoiding capital gains tax on 2nd homes. But of course he is above the law. "

As usual in your posts you also are 'missing a few vital points'. The cottage you refer to is registered with the Land Registry in the JOINT names of Cummings, his parents and another family member. It is also built on his parents land (farm). So he is not the sole owner and does not have sole responsibility for Council tax. Where do you get this 'evidence'?

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"Agree, we've had our mini protest about Cummings, for and against him. Nothing is going to happen right now but remember it'll come back to haunt the torys later. Now the lockdown is easing by the day what needs to be pressed into everyone's head is to be sensible. After seeing the beaches and beauty spots on the news around my area just shows how stupid some people are, I now feel for the poor council guy's having to clean up the mess left behind? But please would they open the public toilets as the one in my town even though locked resembles something of a third world country. People have just shit and pissed everywhere. But then I can understand as when you have to go you can't hold in. Coming home last week from work on the train I had to wee into an empty bottle as even they were closed. "

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The lockdown needs to be eased and the first steps 8nitiated by government are that step forward. Everything is still a step into the unknown so everyone needs to be sensible!

That's where the difficulty lies. From day one I've found the guidelines easy to understand and follow and it didn't take too much intelligence to do this but as in your example ... people cannot use the toilet so people piss and shit everywhere... you can never make plans to include these morons who are capable of spoiling everything for everyone.

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"Three sensible posts in a row from Mikey1073, Forum Reader and xbusman. Got to be a first on this forum."

And then you went and ruined it

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"Missing a few vital points regarding Cummings stay in this so called cottage at his parents property. That is he paid for it to be built and it has no planning permission is inside a restricted conservation area and in an area requiring permission from the coal board due to mining history. That and its not registered so he is not paying council tax on it. Of course as its not his parents cottage its his own paid for 2nd home. So that is law broken as well. Your not allowed to go to your 2nd home. Not to mention planning laws and council tax rules broken and avoiding capital gains tax on 2nd homes. But of course he is above the law.

As usual in your posts you also are 'missing a few vital points'. The cottage you refer to is registered with the Land Registry in the JOINT names of Cummings, his parents and another family member. It is also built on his parents land (farm). So he is not the sole owner and does not have sole responsibility for Council tax. Where do you get this 'evidence'?"

Sometimes people's hatred outweighs any reasoning or wanting of the truth. Corbyn suffered he same way with unfounded allegations as have most high profile politicians.

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I think the only sensible way forward is to let everyone understand their status now by testing, then open up everything and let those who can safely do things the freedom to do them.

Regular community testing to understand where there are any a symptomatic cases would be necessary.

It would be possible now to test a whole area for antibodies, whether you have it now plus a T-Cell analysis for whether you would be likely to get it severely.

Then people could make more informed decisions about risk.

Those businesses that can cope with social distancing could cater for everyone but those that can't could open for those with much reduced risk.

Knowing your personal status has got to be the next step in defeating this and not destroying retail forever.

Most of the fit and healthy I know are living in fear and they are not going to be fuelling economic recovery anytime soon while this ease and hope for the best continues.

At my local primary today three of the 27 kids meant to return have returned with other parents saying they are waiting to see what will happen. The fear of a second spike is very real as is a growing feeling of being canon fodder for the recovery of the economy.

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