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*oredEric By *oredEric   profile verified by photo (M) 2 weeks ago

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...and now this!

We don't need this, we've never had it, it's not part of British political culture. We've always e expected our politicians to explain themselves, not hide behind an unelected, unaccountable, appointed. £100k a year to some anodyne upper class type, no doubt with expenses and pension denied anyone else, a handpicked staff of hooray Henrys and Henriettas. It's a disgraceful step. I might even carry the support of my usual antagonists on this one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-53568610

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By *nello  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"...and now this!

We don't need this, we've never had it, it's not part of British political culture. We've always e expected our politicians to explain themselves, not hide behind an unelected, unaccountable, appointed. £100k a year to some anodyne upper class type, no doubt with expenses and pension denied anyone else, a handpicked staff of hooray Henrys and Henriettas. It's a disgraceful step. I might even carry the support of my usual antagonists on this one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-53568610"

Pm&Co to busy to satisfy curiosity of plebs. So, they need a doll to ‘represent’ and ‘perform’.

Can I propose a candidate - Jen Psaki Will be a perfect for this position. But I’m sure they will find the same personage here

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*acqui_N By *acqui_N  (TV/TS/CD) 2 weeks ago

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My local police force has a media spokesperson who does pieces to camera and interviews to the press. My local authority also has such a person that holds the same responsibilities.

In fact, most organisations of note in the public eye have departments and individuals to perform a media liaison task, so why not the government?

There are positives for a press secretary such as the US has. It frees up ministers to get on with the actual work of governing and creating policy. It presents a unified face to the public with the same voice and the same language (the same meaning of the words said, the same jargon).

It SHOULD be a non-political, civil service position so that whichever government is in power cannot seed the position with loyalists to spout whatever propaganda is required at the time. It should also attract a salary LESS than a government minister.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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That makes sense Jacqui_N

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By *nello  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"My local police force has a media spokesperson who does pieces to camera and interviews to the press. My local authority also has such a person that holds the same responsibilities.

In fact, most organisations of note in the public eye have departments and individuals to perform a media liaison task, so why not the government?

There are positives for a press secretary such as the US has. It frees up ministers to get on with the actual work of governing and creating policy. It presents a unified face to the public with the same voice and the same language (the same meaning of the words said, the same jargon).

It SHOULD be a non-political, civil service position so that whichever government is in power cannot seed the position with loyalists to spout whatever propaganda is required at the time. It should also attract a salary LESS than a government minister."

Local level - maybe yes. But when the most top level decided to avoid responsibility, especially nowadays, this looks stupid... also consider a huge amount of mixed messages... so that new spike person will just add confusion.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 2 weeks ago

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"My local police force has a media spokesperson who does pieces to camera and interviews to the press. My local authority also has such a person that holds the same responsibilities.

In fact, most organisations of note in the public eye have departments and individuals to perform a media liaison task, so why not the government?

There are positives for a press secretary such as the US has. It frees up ministers to get on with the actual work of governing and creating policy. It presents a unified face to the public with the same voice and the same language (the same meaning of the words said, the same jargon).

It SHOULD be a non-political, civil service position so that whichever government is in power cannot seed the position with loyalists to spout whatever propaganda is required at the time. It should also attract a salary LESS than a government minister."

Quite agree it SHOULD be non-political, but as it is an appointment of the PM’s office it cannot be. They are hardly going to appoint someone who has different opinions as themselves. I wouldn’t appoint a spokesperson for my company who didn’t tow the company line.

So, by definition it has to be a political appointee.

If the appointment is only so that Bozo and his puppet master can stay away from the cameras and avoid any gaffs. Then it is an abuse of public funds to make this appointment, and the appointee should be paid for from Conservative Central Office

If it is going to be a Civil Servant fulfilling the task. With the Conservative Party’s attitude toward the Civil Service it is an appointment that wont last long. Mainly because Civil Servants won’t tow the party line and the Rabid Right of the Tories will be up in arms from day one.

I do wonder thought why the great Bozo with all his media Bonhomie, who loves the staged event, who pops up where ever there is a camera and a chance of getting himself on the News at six pm, would want such an appointee. Is he perhaps losing his ability to get the message across? Is he running scared? Has he run out of ideas or indeed did he ever have any? Or could it be perhaps he knows the sh*t storm that is coming. When there is an enquiry in to the handling of Covid19 and the after effects of January the 1st on the British economy, and he’s looking for the flack to go elsewhere.

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By *ollydee   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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The Liar has just been rumbled over his porkies about child poverty in Britain, seems to be another bit of rope for him.

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 2 weeks ago

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Supposedly Bozo's (sole) virtue is that he is a 'good communicator' (so say his fans). Now the lazy toad is passing even that part of his job to someone else. Now Cummings will be telling someone else what to say on behalf of our dear Leader. You couldn't make it up.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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I see all the Boris Bashers have suddenly come out of the woodwork

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*usansilkysubcd By *usansilkysubcd  (TV/TS/CD) 2 weeks ago

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"I see all the Boris Bashers have suddenly come out of the woodwork"

I think someone has rattled the lefty cage this morning lol

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 2 weeks ago

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And your contribution to this topic is?

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*usansilkysubcd By *usansilkysubcd  (TV/TS/CD) 2 weeks ago

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"And your contribution to this topic is?"

I don’t bother any more dear. It’s just fun to see you lot get your knickers in a twist. It must be quite exhausting getting worked up about everything all the time, especially during this lovely weather. Have a nice day

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 2 weeks ago

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Ha Ha The rightards have had their early morning tipple today

It would seem the Rabid Right so desperate to make any excuse for the shortcomings of Bozo and Co. Now resort to that old tactic of the Right Move the blame to anyone but them. Next, they’ll be telling us that criticism of Her Majesty’s Government is tantamount to treason.

Oh well it still doesn’t make up for the shortcomings of a Government bereft of ideas and a plan.

You won’t mind I’m sure, if the next time I update my CV (purely for academic purposes) I add “Boris Basher” as a hobby and interest.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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"And your contribution to this topic is?"

Whatever we moderates think it will be more adult than your usual puerile outpouring.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 2 weeks ago

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"And your contribution to this topic is?

Whatever we Pretend Moderators think it will be The usual claptrap in slavish support of Bozo and Co."

There you go. Fixed that for you Nordic Knight. Always happy to help.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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You are not even vaguely funny Tessa_M. But I really can'y be arsed to get into another slanging match with you and your chums

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 2 weeks ago

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"And your contribution to this topic is?

Whatever we moderates think it will be more adult than your usual puerile outpouring."

Your outpourings are just quotes from Bozo's Little Blue Book of Lies and Excuses - nothing adult there.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 2 weeks ago

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Sorry Eastkenter but I don't even know who that person is so how could I possibly quote from his or her book

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*astkenter By *astkenter  (M) 2 weeks ago

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You old pretender you. If you don't know who Bozo is by now you must have been very deeply in lock-down. Pretend ignorance is as dangerous as the real thing.

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*oredEric By *oredEric   profile verified by photo (M) 2 weeks ago

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The issue is that the Prime Minister is elected, they are responsible to the electorate. They have to be held to account. Appointing some lying toadying lickspittle, like Kayleigh McEany would allow them to get away with murder!

Tessa M, as a great socialist when are you converting your company into an egalitarian workers collective and sharing the profits equally between management and workers?

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" I wouldn’t appoint a spokesperson for my company who didn’t tow the company line.

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You wouldn't appoint anyone anyway, as you wouldn't let them say anything that makes sense.

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By *pence  (M) 1 week ago

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testing to see if im allowed to post.

yep looks like i can.

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*usansilkysubcd By *usansilkysubcd  (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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"The issue is that the Prime Minister is elected, they are responsible to the electorate. They have to be held to account. Appointing some lying toadying lickspittle, like Kayleigh McEany would allow them to get away with murder!

Tessa M, as a great socialist when are you converting your company into an egalitarian workers collective and sharing the profits equally between management and workers? "

That would be never. She made them all redundant. How very right wing. Lovely.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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Tessa M, as a great socialist when are you converting your company into an egalitarian workers collective and sharing the profits equally between management and workers? "

I’m not.

I own 100% of the share capital in my UK company and 85% of it in my Spanish one. Owning a business does not preclude you from having principles. Owning a business does not mean you have to run it like some 17th century slaver.

I like to think my employees enjoy their work and employer, and the benefits that employer provides.

I would also consider if an employee wanted to invest. If it would be to me and my companies’ interest to accept such investment.

Where does being a Tory mean you exclude others from setting up a business?

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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" I wouldn’t appoint a spokesperson for my company who didn’t tow the company line.

You wouldn't appoint anyone anyway, as you wouldn't let them say anything that makes sense."

If you have a point to make, make it. However, I suppose like most of the rightards on here all you have is a slogan or two that means nothing

Here’s one for you. “The only good Tory, is a supposi-TORY”

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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"testing to see if im allowed to post.

yep looks like i can. "

You see when the rightards on here lose their arguments they resort to traditional Tory / EDL tactics. They complain to management. That the baddies are picking on them

It’s not their fault. Look at what they support. Look at the people they profess to adore. Look at their arguments and laugh

Wear it as a badge of honour. You won’t be the first the rightards have managed to stop posting for a few days and you won’t be the last.

Welcome back

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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That would be never. She made them all redundant. How very right wing. Lovely."

As usual you are wrong Susan. Only three

It was easy to puzzle out what I did as an employer. I wrote it down for you in English. On this forum. I even pointed out your errors last time.

But hey don’t let your ideology get in the way of the truth. Perhaps if those you support politicly had that attitude, the country wouldn’t be in the state it is in

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*usansilkysubcd By *usansilkysubcd  (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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That would be never. She made them all redundant. How very right wing. Lovely.

As usual you are wrong Susan. Only three

It was easy to puzzle out what I did as an employer. I wrote it down for you in English. On this forum. I even pointed out your errors last time.

But hey don’t let your ideology get in the way of the truth. Perhaps if those you support politicly had that attitude, the country wouldn’t be in the state it is in

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Oh Tessa dear grow up. If you can’t take it then don’t dish it out all the time. It’s pathetic.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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Oh Tessa dear grow up. If you can’t take it then don’t dish it out all the time. It’s pathetic."

As you know I can take it Susan dear. I can take it deep and hard I am even prepared to take it in unusual ways if it suits.

My only problem is the rightards on here who seem to think repeating the same lie is making it the truth. It isn’t, it’s still a lie, and it will be pointed out every time some rightard or another makes some accusation, that is a lie, to try and point score.

You said “She made them all redundant. How very right wing” That was not only a lie but you knew it to be so.

I try not to bring politics into my work life I have used my circumstances to explain my actions and lifestyle. I think I protected my employees better than most and sought their consent before embarking on a course of action. You my dear are simply trying to point score. I will continue to point it out every time you do.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 1 week ago

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Nice day

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 1 week ago

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"Nice day"

You have a nice day too

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