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By *cousedpw   profile verified by photo (M) 6 days ago

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Which MP is going to be the first to break the rule?

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By *onny Guy   profile verified by photo (M) 5 days ago

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Probably most of them as usual

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 5 days ago

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Tis rule is a bit ambiguous anyway and only seems to apply to private gatherings. You can still go to work so an MP could claim he/she was at a committee meeting. Plus you can still go to the pub where, hopefully for the sake of the landlord, there will be more than six people.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 3 days ago

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"Tis rule is a bit ambiguous anyway and only seems to apply to private gatherings. You can still go to work so an MP could claim he/she was at a committee meeting. Plus you can still go to the pub where, hopefully for the sake of the landlord, there will be more than six people."

There is nothing ambiguous about it the rule is six and no more. Unless there is some new Tory spin on it. The devolved Governments have their own interpretation on it Wales and Scotland don’t include children in the group depending on age 11 or 12. England includes children in the group.

Of course, our Conservative Government here in England understands that the England’s residents fully support them, and will remember how well they were treated. Unlike the rebellious devolved governments subjugating the proletariat.

There may be more than six in the local Wetherspoons but they will be restricted on how they interact, and will be checked, recorded, notarised and listed on the track and trace database. Think I’ll stick to having small parties at home

They say every cloud has a silver lining. New Years Day dinner in our house is usually a 15 to 20-person affair. Guess there will be a lot of steak pies getting cooked elsewhere on New Years Day

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By *esperate jon  (M) 3 days ago

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My local pub doesn't realise this rule has come in to effect as it was packed when I walked passed last night when finished work and was asked why not going in!!. I work with the public so why should I put my clients at risk?? Or am I being selfish for not supporting my local because the manager being a twat wanting to get much more money?? Pub's should have stayed closed in my view. Some are behaving but a lot of trendy hip pub's aren't and making it bad press on the one's that are....

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 3 days ago

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Of course it is ambiguous. Firstly this is a crisis and rules should be national and not up to the whims of the so-called devolved governments. Much of that is due to political point scoring by her majesty in Bute House and the moronic creature in Cardiff Bay, because they don't like the government in Westminster.

Also I wasn't talking about those ghastly boozers hovels like Wetherspoons. I was talking about the village pub, the corner local, who may be allowed to open once more but are struggling to survive under current restrictions.

I understand up to 30 people can meet outside. Don't know whether this applies to the whole of the UK or not. Just hope the weather holds if you want to be part of a large gathering

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 3 days ago

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"Of course it is ambiguous. Firstly this is a crisis and rules should be national and not up to the whims of the so-called devolved governments. Much of that is due to political point scoring by her majesty in Bute House and the moronic creature in Cardiff Bay, because they don't like the government in Westminster.

Also I wasn't talking about those ghastly boozers hovels like Wetherspoons. I was talking about the village pub, the corner local, who may be allowed to open once more but are struggling to survive under current restrictions.

I understand up to 30 people can meet outside. Don't know whether this applies to the whole of the UK or not. Just hope the weather holds if you want to be part of a large gathering"

Like most Tories you never understood Devolution, did you? Health has always been a devolved matter. Up to now most Tories were only on about free prescriptions and the like but devolution goes much further than that, and needs to go further.

Can I suggest taking a leaf out of a previous Tory’s book. You don’t seem to like the devolved Government in your Principality. I think Norman Tebbit once said do like his father did and get on your bike. As for Nicola in Bute House. Her electorate seems to think she is doing a great job. The SNP’s standing in the polls in Scotland has never been higher. So, she’s either a great leader who carries her constituency with her. Or some one else is pushing the buttons of the Scots and driving support toward her. I wonder who such a clown could be, such a person would be a right Bozo. Such a person certainly wouldn’t have the best interests of the union at heart.

As far as 30 people meeting outside that’s the rules in Wales nowhere else in the UK. I’m sure England’s residents will appreciate how far Bozo is prepared to prolong their misery, in his own interest.

I am surprised to hear a born-again Tory castigate the local Wetherspoons. I can understand the toffy nosed class driven my pubs better than your attitude. However, to slate a successful business, that employs thousands of staff, and donated millions to the Tories and Vote Leave. Is at best churlish. I suppose it is the attitude of the Tories in 2020, laws and respect are for others not them, and although you were my friend last week, things are different now. I can see that attitude getting us a lot of business in the New Year

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 3 days ago

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Hell Tessa M you do talk a load of rubbish. Most of your waffle makes no sense whatsoever but then it never did throughout your history of posting.

I live in a devolved country and know only too well about the shortcomings of the so-called devolved government that has mismanaged everything for the last 20 years. We may have heavily abused free prescriptions and free parking in hospital [much to the enjoyment of shoppers and nearby non NHS workers] but the system is in in chaos as if just about everything else they handle. I cannot answer for Scotland as I don't live there but, then again nor do you. I see the Shetlands and Orkneys are considering breaking away from Scotland but that's another story.

And no I do not like Wetherspoons or that smug, slimy creature who runs them. I thought he donated to the Faragist Party but you obviously know better. I personally prefer traditional pubs to his bozzer hovels. Not snobbish. Just a matter of taste

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By *wert000  (M) 3 days ago

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Nordic I agree ??

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 3 days ago

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"Hell Tessa M you do talk a load of rubbish. Most of your waffle makes no sense whatsoever but then it never did throughout your history of posting.

I live in a devolved country and know only too well about the shortcomings of the so-called devolved government that has mismanaged everything for the last 20 years. We may have heavily abused free prescriptions and free parking in hospital [much to the enjoyment of shoppers and nearby non NHS workers] but the system is in in chaos as if just about everything else they handle. I cannot answer for Scotland as I don't live there but, then again nor do you. I see the Shetlands and Orkneys are considering breaking away from Scotland but that's another story.

And no I do not like Wetherspoons or that smug, slimy creature who runs them. I thought he donated to the Faragist Party but you obviously know better. I personally prefer traditional pubs to his bozzer hovels. Not snobbish. Just a matter of taste"

I refer you to my earlier post if you don’t like it and can’t change it “on yer bike”

I have never said I live in Scotland, anymore. Please tell me when I did. You however seem to have opinions on everything outside your little toffee nosed holier than though little world. I think it was “Much of that is due to political point scoring by her majesty in Bute House” proves the point.

As far as Farage and Martin are concerned they have both been members of the Conservative Party they have both supported the views and ideals of the Conservative Party in the past. Hell, even Bozo wants to get his picture taken with Tim Martin, when he’s not hiding in fridges that is.

Look forward to more of my rubbish pointing out the shortcomings of your clap trap.

As far as Orkney and Shetland are concerned, they are part of Scotland and have been since before the Union of Crowns. That makes them part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. As soon as Scotland gets its independence from the anchor in the south. Orkney and Shetland can go through a democratic process to see if they really seek to cede from the independent country that will be Scotland.

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 3 days ago

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Tessa_M :- I have better things to do with my time than try and make head or tail of the rubbish you keep spouting though I will make two minor points:

1, I have never said you live in Scotland although you do claim to be Scottish and have a fixation for Ms Sturgeon and her tawdry party.

2: Haven't got a clue what this 'on yer bike' reference is about. I have not owned a bicycle since my teens and sadly no longer consider myself safe on a motorbike

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*oredEric By *oredEric   profile verified by photo (M) 3 days ago

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"You however seem to have opinions on everything outside your little toffee nosed holier than though little world

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Coming from you that’s a kittle rich! You do nothing but ram your “do as I say, not as do” agenda down our throats. Under Blair you were to the right of Thatcher, under Corbyn to the left of Stalin. But you retain your support of Labour regardless, but unlike the electorate, who roundly, thoroughly, and decisively rejected Corbyn and his policies, you can afford his kind of politics, as you’ve your wealth, about which you tell us repeatedly, to fall back on.

It’s noteworthy you’ve not decided to establish an anarcho syndicalist collective to allow your employees to share in the wealth creating and decision making process, Oh no, you retain the tight grip of capitalism and crush the dreams if the workers, retain the profit, and perpetuate the system you tell us is wrong, unfair, cruel, vindictive. You even took the food out of the workers mouths by moving offshore to increase profits, a move that is pure rapacious unfettered right wing capitalism! Does your company recognise unions and collectivisation on negotiating wages, pay increases, working conditions, profit sharing, no, I thought not.

That’s a very wordy way of saying you’re a hypocrite isn’t it.

You’re the perfect poster boy for Thatcherism and robber baron style capitalism, but you espouse Socialism, in order to keep the poor struggling, as long as your alright. You a fan of Ayn Rand?

Ive trued to be good, avoid posting on your utter drivel you post. Even when people have repeatedly told you they’re not Conservatives, you still accuse them. In fact what you do is engage in DARVO. Look it up yourself. Just so you know, and before you accuse me! i waver between the Libdems and the Greens, more recently towards the Greens.

I’m glad I don’t know you in day to day life, I wouldn’t want people to think we’re friends or share common ideals and opinions.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 3 days ago

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"Tessa_M :- I have better things to do with my time than try and make head or tail of the rubbish you keep spouting though I will make two minor points:

1, I have never said you live in Scotland although you do claim to be Scottish and have a fixation for Ms Sturgeon and her tawdry party.

2: Haven't got a clue what this 'on yer bike' reference is about. I have not owned a bicycle since my teens and sadly no longer consider myself safe on a motorbike"

Nordic Knight I not only claim to be Scottish I am. Nothing your beloved Bozo can do to take that away. I see nothing wrong with admiring a politician from afar. When that politician’s honesty and integrity shows through for all to see. I also admire Jacinda Ardern and many other politicians. Unfortunately, no one in the Tory party of 2020 made it on to my list. I think it was down to lack of moral fibre

I am so surprised you don’t know of the on yer bike reference. You would have thought someone who purports to have been a member and of the Tories would have remembered Lord Tebbit. He of the Thatcher enforcer. It was quite a well-known phrase at the time you said you were involved. Oh, sorry I forget myself. You Tories have selective memory. I guess you get it from your leader. He of the oven ready deal, of get Brexit done, who didn’t seem to know that the agreement he whipped his MP’s into supporting, wasn’t oven ready at all. Perhaps Dominic forgot to put some money on the gas card or the electric key. There goes that memory again. Maybe he’ll forget to test his eyesight on his next visit to Barnard Castle. Hopefully he lights that oven after all New Year is coming.

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*essa_M By  *essa_M    profile verified by photo premium paying member (TV/TS/CD) 3 days ago

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" Coming from you that’s a kittle rich! You do nothing but ram your “do as I say, not as do” agenda down our throats. Under Blair you were to the right of Thatcher, under Corbyn to the left of Stalin. But you retain your support of Labour regardless, but unlike the electorate, who roundly, thoroughly, and decisively rejected Corbyn and his policies, you can afford his kind of politics, as you’ve your wealth, about which you tell us repeatedly, to fall back on. "

I have opinions that I am happy to share with you Eric I hopefully will stop you getting board.

For your information and I have said this before but I’ll repeat it just for you as I am aware it can take some time to get through to you. I never voted Labour at the last election. I never professed to be a labour member, and I am unlikely to be either. I am afraid you are as usual wrong. I have never been to the right of Thatcher whether Tony Blair wan PM or not. Labour under Corbyn I really didn’t give a hoot about. I had less good will toward them than I had toward Bozo & Co.

As to wealth. I may own a couple of companies. I have owned several over the years. I worked to make every one of those as successful as I could under Labour and Conservative governments. Now I own one in Spain I also run that company under the jurisdiction of the PSOE and PP coalition. There is nothing wrong in creating wealth and giving people employment, and if you make a profit in the process so much the better. But no one rams any amount of wealth down your throat. I am comfortable yes, I make no secret of that, but that’s not a bad thing. Although it does seem to awaken green eyed jealousy in some people.


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It’s noteworthy you’ve not decided to establish an anarcho syndicalist collective to allow your employees to share in the wealth creating and decision making process, Oh no, you retain the tight grip of capitalism and crush the dreams if the workers, retain the profit, and perpetuate the system you tell us is wrong, unfair, cruel, vindictive. You even took the food out of the workers mouths by moving offshore to increase profits, a move that is pure rapacious unfettered right wing capitalism! Does your company recognise unions and collectivisation on negotiating wages, pay increases, working conditions, profit sharing, no, I thought not.

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I never set up a cooperative if that’s what you mean. No and I have no intention of ever setting up such a company. I have set up some not for profit organisations in my business career, when the need suited and when tax implications made it viable. So, what are you jealous? As far as retaining the profits well Her Majesty’s Government makes sure I don’t keep it all. Mind you if I can find a legal way to retain a bigger portion I will take it, again so what

I didn’t move one of my companies off shore as you put it to maximise profit and take the food out of the workers mouths. That company’s main customer base was in Southern Europe. Political matters in the UK and professional advice took care of that decision. I even delayed the winding up of the company in the UK so that some of the workers could have a bit more pay so they could put food in their mouths. By hey Ho that’s me


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That’s a very wordy way of saying you’re a hypocrite isn’t it.

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No it’s a very wordy way of you proving you haven’t a clue what your talking about.


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You’re the perfect poster boy for Thatcherism and robber baron style capitalism, but you espouse Socialism, in order to keep the poor struggling, as long as your alright. You a fan of Ayn Rand?

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Nope never heard of her, but then your elongated references lost me years ago


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Ive trued to be good, avoid posting on your utter drivel you post. Even when people have repeatedly told you they’re not Conservatives, you still accuse them. In fact what you do is engage in DARVO. Look it up yourself. Just so you know, and before you accuse me! i waver between the Libdems and the Greens, more recently towards the Greens.

I’m glad I don’t know you in day to day life, I wouldn’t want people to think we’re friends or share common ideals and opinions."

You really must try harder. I know we are not friends but here’s a friendly piece of advice. Better to be thought a fool. Than to remove all doubt with your ramblings

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 3 days ago

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More drivel from a know-it-all. How you survive in the business world beats me. Perhaps you just bore your competitors to death with your pointless waffle.

I do admit to having been a Conservative Party member during the Thatcher era so obviously I am very well aware who Noman Tebbit is. But I still have no idea why the 'on yer bike' epithet, which is attributed to him, applies to me. I thought it was to do with unemployed people going in search of a job. Therefore it does not apply to me. I reluctantly took retirement for health reasons. I have a private income so do not rely on state handouts, plus I keep myself occupied by some consultancy work and some voluntary work. Might also add that I drive one of those new fangled inventions called a car rather than ride a bike

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"More drivel from a know-it-all. How you survive in the business world beats me. Perhaps you just bore your competitors to death with your pointless waffle.

I do admit to having been a Conservative Party member during the Thatcher era so obviously I am very well aware who Noman Tebbit is. But I still have no idea why the 'on yer bike' epithet, which is attributed to him, applies to me. I thought it was to do with unemployed people going in search of a job. Therefore it does not apply to me. I reluctantly took retirement for health reasons. I have a private income so do not rely on state handouts, plus I keep myself occupied by some consultancy work and some voluntary work. Might also add that I drive one of those new fangled inventions called a car rather than ride a bike"

With honesty, integrity and probity. I keep my word and keep to agreements made and signed. I know they are alien ideas to today’s Tory Party, but it works for me

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*ordic-knight By *ordic-knight   premium paying member (M) 3 days ago

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Ha Ha. Have I hit a raw nerve at last

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You’re a hypocrite Tessa M, no way round it.

Another Labour supporter with Thatcherite beliefs, who can fall back on a healthy bank balance once it goes horribly wrong, again, as it does under Labour, bankrupt the country each time we let them loose.

Go count your piles of gold, work out ways to trim your workers wages, maybe a 20% wage reduction to “keep the company afloat”, people are so scared of losing their job they’d buy it, and I wouldn’t put it past you.

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"You’re a hypocrite Tessa M, no way round it.

Another Labour supporter with Thatcherite beliefs, who can fall back on a healthy bank balance once it goes horribly wrong, again, as it does under Labour, bankrupt the country each time we let them loose.

Go count your piles of gold, work out ways to trim your workers wages, maybe a 20% wage reduction to “keep the company afloat”, people are so scared of losing their job they’d buy it, and I wouldn’t put it past you."

You are of course entitled to your opinion Eric. Fortunately, it’s just that your opinion. I am forever grateful that the people who I supply a wage to at least have a future to look forward to. How many people have you assisted in making a life for themselves and families? How have you helped pay their rents and mortgages? Put up or shut up. Or at least educate yourself. Your claptrap is embarrassing. You may profess to be politicly toward the Lib Dems and Greens. I think it should be the Monster Raving Loony Party. I’m sure they’ll find a home for your diatribes.

One wonders why you are taking things so personally

Don’t you like the fact some of us work hard, so we can enjoy the fruits of our labours. Would you like to see the work houses reintroduced? Your starting to sound more Tory than Bozo himself, then again he was never a Tory, just a narcissist

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Tessa M You undercut any credibility you think you have when you yiu snootily declared you don’t know Ayn Rand. That’s akin to saying you've never heard of Karl Marx. If you aren’t aware of the basics then that explains why you cant engage in Hegelian discourse, just bully, accuse, attack, and demean.

You’re a busted flush. Typical barroom bore, full of shit. Go and do some basic reading, then have another go. I’m sorry, my mistake was in taking you seriously, thinking you fould engage in legitimate debate, that you might understand the basics of politics, philosophy, debate, instead you proudly exhibit your ignorance by denying simple basics.

To save you time the writings of Ayn Rand underpin the thinking of the worst excesses of rapacious capitalism. It’s very popular in the Republican movement. It’s possibly getting a hold here. It’s a disgusting repugnant philosophy with no place in a modern society, but is very popular with the wealthy.

You’re ignorant, a bully, a hypocrite, and nowhere near as clever as you think you are.

So, you’re reply, this is your usual attack, first you’ll deflect to something else, then you’ll attack me personally, finally make yourself outto be the innocent victim attacked by mean people who question you and your stance. DARVO. You’re known. Actually, on that i think I do actually know you, I think our paths have crossed out in the real world...but that’s an aside. That being the case I know we don’t get on, the way I am I did tell you to your face.

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Bitch slapped in a crowded room, rouged cheek, single tear falls, argument ends.

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"Tessa M You undercut any credibility you think you have when you yiu snootily declared you don’t know Ayn Rand. That’s akin to saying you've never heard of Karl Marx. If you aren’t aware of the basics then that explains why you cant engage in Hegelian discourse, just bully, accuse, attack, and demean.

You’re a busted flush. Typical barroom bore, full of shit. Go and do some basic reading, then have another go. I’m sorry, my mistake was in taking you seriously, thinking you fould engage in legitimate debate, that you might understand the basics of politics, philosophy, debate, instead you proudly exhibit your ignorance by denying simple basics.

To save you time the writings of Ayn Rand underpin the thinking of the worst excesses of rapacious capitalism. It’s very popular in the Republican movement. It’s possibly getting a hold here. It’s a disgusting repugnant philosophy with no place in a modern society, but is very popular with the wealthy.

You’re ignorant, a bully, a hypocrite, and nowhere near as clever as you think you are.

So, you’re reply, this is your usual attack, first you’ll deflect to something else, then you’ll attack me personally, finally make yourself outto be the innocent victim attacked by mean people who question you and your stance. DARVO. You’re known. Actually, on that i think I do actually know you, I think our paths have crossed out in the real world...but that’s an aside. That being the case I know we don’t get on, the way I am I did tell you to your face."

My dear Eric

I like to consider myself reasonably well read. That does not mean I have read every book that exists. I have been in the British Library many times over my 60 years, but I think if I was Methuselah I would have been unable to read them all.

Apart from that reading the books of an American Republican wouldn’t be my idea of a leisurely pastime. It may be for you but not all of us agree with you (fortunately).

However, if my being less read than you makes you happy. I am glad for you.

Unfortunately, you don’t engage in debate. All you do is make random allegations about things you know nothing about. If that makes you happy I’m OK with that. If getting a hard on over some lesser known American author floats your boat, who am I to criticise you. At least we know your limitations.

I don’t think any of my comments have been ignorant, bullying or hypocritical either toward any member here or you. They may contain different opinions from yours and my opinions may be based on how I have led my life, and how I see things. Also, with your own record (and some others on here) the moment I fracture any rule you seem to be hitting the report button with aplomb. Although I could have done this to you many times up to now I have refrained form such petty actions. Perhaps if you are going to act as an overgrown toddler I should treat you as such

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"I didn’t move one of my companies off shore as you put it to maximise profit and take the food out of the workers mouths."

Oh Tossa_M, you couldn't offer a reasonable argument about anything. You've proved this many times.

As for your 'companies', you have stated several times that in order to move one of them to Spain, you have made workers redundant. A bit like sacking them but with a bit of a payout. You also stated that you furloughed these people, but did you not know that the government has declared this illegal? You cannot furlough someone who is to be made redundant.

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""I didn’t move one of my companies off shore as you put it to maximise profit and take the food out of the workers mouths."

Oh Tossa_M, you couldn't offer a reasonable argument about anything. You've proved this many times.

As for your 'companies', you have stated several times that in order to move one of them to Spain, you have made workers redundant. A bit like sacking them but with a bit of a payout. You also stated that you furloughed these people, but did you not know that the government has declared this illegal? You cannot furlough someone who is to be made redundant."

That’s right Superman I did move one of my companies to Spain and out of 4 employees left at the end when we were winding down the company (without any debt). 3 were made redundant and one was retained elsewhere in one of my businesses. I did not make the environment that ensured the company would move, people like you did. All I did was maximise the company’s potential for the future. That was my job as a director.

I am surprised at you. As some one with your extensive knowledge of business. I had assumed you would know that you only have to notify the government in advance of redundancies when you have over a certain amount of staff and you are making more than 20 of those staff redundant. At no time did my company qualify under the criteria and we only made 3 staff redundant. We were closing the company where did you think those jobs were going. Or were they just going to magic themselves on to the back of the unicorn cargo carriers.

It would only have been illegal IF prior notification had been given to HMG. All we had had was an informal chat with the 4 and eventually 3 staff who were being sacked. Those employees were happy to be retained quite legally. You’ll understand I will take the advice of my professional advisors as their advice carries weight. Rather than a keyboard warrior like yourself.

I’m afraid you’ve been eating kryptonite again you really should try and give it up

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